What Next From Labour?

Ade

The real disaster for Labour was Red Ed changing the rules so anyone could join for a £1 AND vote in the leadership election when he announced he was standing down. Then some idiot MPs offered to second Corbyn even though they thought he was unelectable, just t9 be “fair”. At which point all the Trots from the Socialist Workers Party et al suddenly joined Labour and drowned out its existing members (who were already much more left wing than their MPs).

I can’t see a way back for them, even now Corbyn is going, because the Marxists have control of the machine. Which is a disaster for us all whatever our political persuasion, because any democracy needs a viable opposition to hold the governing party to account. The lack of an opposition, ultimately, leads to corrupt government.

 

It was annoying to be one wishing to see political balance after having all the media and most political parties, etc all saying the result was a mistake, leavers are racists, leavers are stupid, leavers were lied to, leavers didn’t understand and need helping, and to then be informed by the intelligent and sensible remainers that they should have another say (referendum) again and again until the ignorant lose and the enlightened remainers win. Even the Liberal (un)Democrats didn’t even bother to hide their contempt at the fuckwit leavers and said they would simply overturn the referendum result! Good bye Jo Swinson and good riddance..:

I enjoy humorous BBC podcasts but NEVER heard any of their comedy programmes have ANYONE from a pro Brexit position. The Now Show was a prime example of overt anti-Brexit supporters.

Most leavers I know feel they were the ones cowed and afraid to admit they were one of the nations majority of retards who voted for Brexit.

As for Scotland. Someone must explain to me how they can hate the UK because they don’t have representation in the Westminster for their unique cultural Scottish ways (48 out of 59 seats in the Westminster Parliament on a purely and aggressively SNP nationalistic ticket vs 54 seats for the whole of Yorkshire with a similar population) claiming they want independence so they can have their own say on policy but then in the next breath be so pro joining Europe where they will have zero influence. It’s the same as Yorkshire (5m) wanting to join the EU but expecting arrogantly to have influence over 500m population in the EU.

won’t happen...

 

In different words, I was saying it cuts both ways. So we agree there I hope.

If only some of the leave voters I encountered were that restrained. Like I said, bad stuff has been uttered by both sides and the divisions aren't going to heal soon, even if Boris does want us to kiss and make up (god, I've just had a mental vision that can't be unseen. Shudder!).

It's all gone red!!!.

 

They don't hate the UK they hate the English, well the SNP and blue and white faced ill informed ones do.
When I was first based in Scotland I had apples, & eggs thrown at my house the wife was ignored in the local shop and I had all the tyres on my motor slashed, young recruits where beaten up when on their own with comments like come up here taking our birds, you mean they prefer someone who has an education a job and does not spend all their time with drink and drugs, this all stopped when a Regiment Sqn was based here as they did not won't to tangle with hard core blokes.
I must stress it is only a section of Scottish society that feel this way those that had it indoctrinated into them from a young age and believe Braveheart to be 100% true, they don't understand that it is not the English but their own people that have stabbed then in the back " Culloden" Highlanders fighting lowlanders
over a Nonce of a Italian pretender on the basis of religion no different to Glasgow and Rangers.
The Scottish are a fine people just the ill informed that ruin it, as our guys say
We know when we have a Jock aircrew because you can still hear the whinening after the engines have completely shut down.
As for the SNP yet another politician that wants to make their mark and what better way than bash Westminster for all their problems shout out a mandate and the sheep will follow.

 

As I said myself DD its only certain elements that do, but I agree if they go they stand on their own two feet.

 

Can we get something straight? The SNP consistently claims to ‘speak for Scotland’ with a 45% share of the vote getting 90% of Westminster seats. However, up here PR means they are a minority government propped up by the Greens.
The biggest ‘achievement’ of the SNP has not merely been to polarise opinion North and South of the Border (a deliberate policy to antagonise) but INSIDE Scotland itself. The recent tweets about Rod Stewart from Celtic fans exemplify a nastiness all of its own that is UTTERLY rejected by the 55% and quite a few of the 45%. We reportedly even had Labour candidates saying Vote SNP to keep Boris out because the underlying support for the Union is rock solid.

 

I would imagine it would be a "Scottish Pound" much like the "Canadian Dollar" for instance. So not related to THE pound and would be worth much less. So I would imagine it would make life very difficult indeed as import prices would go through the roof. I'm no economist though so that's just my guess.

 

I think it is rooted in a romantic attachment to an idea of a Scotland that never existed and a pretty profound ignorance of economic realities. Scotland’s greatest export has always been its people and ideas. Don’t get me started on the confusion of race, ethnicity etc. Most SNP supporters (& Scots) see Robert de Bruys as a national patriot rather than a more nuanced but very feudal Norman. I blame Sir Walter Scott.....

I see the emotional appeal but my fellow countrymen have no appetite for what it would require of them. Those Scots left to build the Empire and multinational businesses across the globe.

 

Yes we've all had that romantic independence idea at one time, an Independent Northwest of England or an Independent Yorkshire. Everybody sick of being ruled from London. But at the end of the day, financial reality sets in. The SNP want independence at ANY cost. I don't think the majority of Scots are that blind.

 

much like the racist idiots across the uk who don’t understand there are no pure blood Briton, Celts or indigenous tribal person left in the UK anywhere UNLESS they are an immigrant!!!
We’re all a hotchpotch of cultural influences... especially the Scottish!

 

Funny as he is, Murray is a fully paid up luvvie with the obligatory rejection of his public school education and aristocratic lineage (Scots and English) on both sides. Doubtless he would otherwise still be on the pub and club circuit.
Just remember the natives of ALL the British Isles are still about 70% Beaker People who trudged over the North Sea when it was the boggy estuary of the Rhine of which the Thames was a mere tributary.

 

Your spellinz atroshush.

 

Except that’s not how it works. An independent Scotland could use the pound sterling or the dollar or any internationally traded currency but it would be responsible for its own debts - not rUK. And this is the bit the SNP obfuscate; because Scotland has no credit history it would necessitate Holyrood taking out Wonga loans at Wonga rates. Given some of the jaw dropping things he has come out with I actually doubt their Finance Minister even understands this. Scotland’s current fiscal balance is supported by the BoE. The European Central Bank has too many beggars to entertain an application from Scotland without major cuts in public expenditure AND tax increases.

Lenders would regard Scotland as a risky loan until it had built up a healthy reputation for repayment. The direct consequence being that a sterling mortgage in Sheffield could be at 2.5% but a sterling mortgage in Stirling could be 15% as the rate was in 1979.

The importance of a solid central bank is lost on most folk but its impact on financial businesses is massive. The people running everything from Scottish Widows to RBS etc., would, because of their legal duty to their shareholders, move their nameplates and taxes South to protect their assets. Shareholders include massive pension funds - little people not just rich fatcats.

 

I deliberately avoided going into a treatise on the massive risks in using a ‘foreign’ currency and having no domestic regulation of its value. Paddle free creeks.......

 

Where is their money (income) going to come from. North sea oil/gas won’t last long and Greta the angry little girl will want everyone to use renewable power before Thursday so not much income in the medium terms from that.

Few will want to set up business there - it’s a tad out of the way, and transportation isn’t great - neither is the catchment area for skilled jobs with the necessary workforce and infrastructure. They hate the English so wont want investment from south of the boarder.

I guess they are looking for handouts from the EU?

it will all work out perfectly.

 

As Neil Kinnock observed



They think the rest of us can’t spot a scabby wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 

Perhaps a few Scots could come on here and tell us why they want independence ?

 

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