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  1. Octoberon

    Octoberon Crème de la Crème

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    I confess I'm not sure what an 'illeberal liberal' is or does. Perhaps I'm missing something in the forum posts. Or maybe I am one and I don't even know it (oh no!) :D

    Liberals do seem the be new Communists in today verbal sparring matches, with a sense that if you're disagreeing with a particular type of right-wing, usually quite angry, viewpoint you're 'one of them'. The debate I find useful and interesting. The labels, not so much.
     
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  2. Callumity

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  3. Callumity

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    It’s that unconscious bias that tells you because your intentions are pure then so must your actions......especially when they are not because otherwise that would bring on a psychotic episode.
    :sob:
     
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  4. Callumity

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    Here’s your issue
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230 and tech companies without any obligation to maintain political neutrality.
     
  5. Octoberon

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    We look at the same thing from different perspectives. I have no background or in the legal profession so I don't express my opinions in those terms, which is a shame because lawyers are always popular at parties.

    Slander and libel laws are hardly panaceas for a fair society. Money skews the ability to obtain justice, or more rich people would be in jail. And sometimes they remain unimpeached because they have friends who trade in their morality for power.
     
  6. Callumity

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    I agree. But I left the law donkeys years ago for some of those reasons.
     
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    And cost.
     
  8. Tom Gillam

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    If you haven’t heard of illiberal liberals then it’s likely you are one.
    Cancel culture,agonising over American politics,me too,BLM,the wonky woke inability to see points of view that differ from their own,identity politics,especially accusing others of denial when faced with opposing views.The inability to accept the results of elections and a referendum.
    All of the above served with a big dollop of patronising “we know best” smugness.
    I was a paid up liberal for many years when there was still a bit of conviction,right wing ,I don’t think so,and as for hatred,what about the anti semitism,momentum,pushing over statues,and the self righteous judging and condemnation?
     
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  9. OldNick

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    Absolutely right Cal and the internet has become Pandora’s Box

    No one is truly accountable for content and the Platform Holder can sanction what they choose

    Does this uncontrolled ‘freedom of speech’ not go to show that @Hubaxe cartoon earlier regarding the consequences of tolerance of intolerance is in fact correct?
     
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  10. OldNick

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    Cost of the platform system set up would not be that huge BUT the cost of Marketing to make the platform discoverable would run to the many millions
     
  11. Smilinjack

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    Inability to accept election results? Are you telling me Donny Fartpants is an illiberal liberal? Not sure what I am, certainly to some on here I was identified as a whining remoaner limp wristed pinko plastic liberal. I probably had an itchy mangina too. But enough of my good points-the penchant for labelling appears to come from people who do not view themselves as liberals. What are they then? It seems to me that broadly people on here can get by quite well irrespective of their position in the Right-Left spectrum, give or take the odd bit of leg pulling and angst. It seems to me that much of what you've identified could equally be applied to either edge of that spectrum. A six and two threes, really. :)
     
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  12. learningtofly

    learningtofly He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!
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    I don’t believe you were ever a qualified and/or practicing lawyer. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
     
  13. Callumity

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    Correct. I threw over the last two exams having completed my articles and took the Queen’s Shilling.
     
  14. Octoberon

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    Cancel culture - meh. Handbags at dawn. Agonising? - nope, not here. BLM - hardly a surprise that people have a complaint. Several other points can reduce down to lack of ability to listen, think or express an opinion without spitting feathers. No 'side' comes out well from that assessment. Accepting results is one thing - despairing at the outcome is quite another, particularly when faced with nationalist vitriol as justification (ardly a convincing argument on behalf of the rich and privileged - must try harder). Do I know best? No, of course not. No one does. That's what makes all the shouting so ridiculous. It isn't a winner takes all situation.

    For every finger pointed at a group for being stupid or reprehensible, there's another group on the opposite benches doing equally stupid or reprehensible things. Although pushing over a statue is hardly storming the Bastille. Or Congress.

    Ultimately, I just think yelling insults at each other is a zero sum game.
     
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  15. Tom Gillam

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    I wasn’t talking about American politics,personally I believe that’s their business,not ours,I’m really not interested in Trump,or whatever you “labelled” him.
    I wasn’t talking about the edge of the spectrum but the poor metro centric people and their terrible first world problems.
     
  16. Callumity

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    Maybe Senor Fartpants genuinely knows something we don't ‘know’. Nothing within my personal knowledge - all hearsay. The difference between what you know, think you know or choose to believe.
     
  17. Octoberon

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    :joy: "...genuinely knows something..." That's brilliant. :joy:
     
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  18. Octoberon

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  19. Callumity

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  20. Octoberon

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    Alrerady printed and framed. I'd like to thank my parents, my agent...
     
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