The Street Twin Cometh - Soon!

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  1. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    OM15,
    Was over at 3X myself today for a ride out, this is my 3rd bike from them and they get a thumbs up from me too. The RH mirror was bugging me as the LH one is good, it's almost like it needs to be further forward or further right to increase the angle of view. Got back home and out with the tape measure, lo and behold the RH mirror is 2.5cm closer to the centre of the bars than the LH side. I'm going to look tomorrow to see if I can easily move the bracket back toward the bar end but not sure if the wiring/hose will allow it.
     
  2. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    SpeedM, I think the problem is that the brake reservoir assembly is located further in than the lh mirror location, I tried adjusting it outwards but didn't make much improvement. I am surprised that Triumph didn't pick this up at build, maybe if they modified the mirror stem by increasing the length by an inch it might cure it.
    The bar ends really do transform the rear view, good luck with it

    best om
     
  3. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Checked again this morning and as you say the RH mirror/brake res bracket is further in, thought about moving it but to me the brake hose looks too tight. Another trip to 3X as it's in warranty and speak to the workshop maybe they can come up with a solution or at least pass the feedback on to Triumph.
    I'm sure that I saw somewhere that mirror stem extensions could be bought for previous small wheel bonnies but at the end of the day probably easier to just get the bar end mirrors that you have.
     
  4. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    I discussed this at 3X with Mark Jessap, also I see other threads on this forum about the Street Twin comment on the same problem, as do some reviews that I have read on line.
    I did receive a Triumph feedback review form from Triumph a couple of weeks after buying the bike, but it was more focused on rating the dealer than recording any observations or snags with the bike.
    Let me know how you get on with 3X, if other people have complained we might be able to give Triumph our views on this, at least they might look at a product improvement for later bikes.

    best om
     
  5. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Went back to 3X and they were unaware of the issue until pointed out, the workshop/parts manager checked out my bike and the other ST's that were in the showroom and they were all the same. He made a phone call to a technical bod, not sure if this was internal or at Triumph but they were also unaware. One of the mechanics moved the mirror bracket over as far as possible which has made the mirror more usable but not as good as the LH side. Between us we agreed that the RH stem should be longer to allow a better field of view. Several suggestions were offered as to what sort of mirrors would do the job but I'm now thinking (being an awkward sort) :rolleyes: why should I buy different mirrors because the standard item is not fit for purpose. I can feel an e-mail coming on to the technical/customer services dept. at Triumph.
     
  6. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    Yes, I think that you have a very valid point, we've just spent a fair wedge on something that is actually not safe, I was more concerned about not being able to see what was around me, and I also felt that my jacket contributed to the problem.
    I think that it is a design problem, if you decide to pursue it let me know and I will also support the case, as I said, I did discuss this with Mark initially after the test ride before I bought the bike, and I emailed him shortly after taking delivery saying that I was unhappy with the mirrors and explaining why I wanted bar ends.
    I intend to have a long run this weekend just to check the mirrors are still working!
     
  7. Tardis

    Tardis New Member

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    Just picked up my ST 2 weeks ago (2017 model). I also had concerns about the visibility of the stock mirrors and not being able to see more behind me. Two days ago I installed the CRG hindsight bar mirrors and that solved my problem. Easy to install, great mirrors and I now feel much safer knowing what's behind.
    I love everything else about the ST, fun, comfort, handling..... but Triumph failed us with the stock mirrors. Just don't think they are as safe as they should be and hope they can come up with something better on future models (just extend them an inch or two).
    I also ordered the Rizoma Brake Fluid Reservoir to replace the plastic one just for looks.

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  8. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Hi OM,
    I emailed Triumph regarding the poor field of view from the RH mirror and it's offset positioning which I believe is the main contributor to the restricted rear view which I did in a courteous and professional manner.

    Here is their reply:-

    "Thank you for your email.
    We are sorry that you have felt it necessary to contact us on this matter.
    The Street Twin has been in service for nearly a year now, with over 30,000 of the new Bonneville models being sold world wide, they all employ the same or very similar rear view mirrors, with no concern being raised for this issue.
    While the positioning of the mirrors can be quite a personal thing, currently there are no plans to introduce any modification to either their length, or position.
    Thank you for your feed back, we hope that despite this minor irritation, that you will go on to enjoy riding your Street Twin."


    So there you go must be my fault! although I'm yet to be convinced that the inability through design to identify what is behind me using the standard fixing mirror is a minor irritation. The official Triumph version of Put Up or Shut Up I believe.
     
  9. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Welcome Tardis, glad that you are enjoying your ST as I am mine, trying to get the miles on whilst the weather is good to get it run in. Your mirrors look good too, it looks like I may have to go a similar route to you or OM although Triumph don't appear to be aware that anything is amiss with the standard mirrors (see earlier post)
     
  10. Tardis

    Tardis New Member

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    Wow ... that really sounds like a cop out reply. All I know is that I have heard quite a few ppl express concerns about this issue on different forums. Kind of leaves me feeling a little disappointed with Triumph (or at least that idiot response)...... "no concern being raised with this issue" .....??? Just read this and other forums. People don't send emails to Triumph because this is the type of answer they get. I would not have spent the after market money on bar mirrors if the originals had given me better rear visibility.
     
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  11. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    I have just completed the customer survey from Triumph, only just found it in my Junk folder. Anyway I have suggested as a recommendation that they do monitor the different forums to gain an insight into Triumph owners and their bikes. What they have done is roll out the company line to push this query to one side. I had hoped for a more engaging response than received, maybe they haven't completed the email writing course yet, perhaps that's why it wasn't signed by an individual just Best Regards, Triumph UK. o_O
     
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  12. Tardis

    Tardis New Member

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    Just to update on the mirror install for anyone thinking of doing similar. I checked the bar endcaps after a ride with the new mirrors and found they (end cap screws) had come loose. I put locktite on the screws and after a days ride they were snug as ever.
     
  13. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    Rather surprised at your response from Triumph SpeedM, Tardis has confirmed that many of the new owners are unhappy with the mirrors, I suppose that Triumph don't wish to appear liable by admitting that the mirrors are unsafe, much easier to call it a minor irritant, and then of course flog you bar ends.
    I will send Triumph a letter at the weekend, let you know how I get on.
     
  14. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Will be interested to hear what response you get from your letter OM. Whilst replying to their rather arrogant e-mail response to me it suddenly occurred to me that of the 30,000 bikes sold worldwide how many would be used in countries that drive/ride on the right. In this case there would be no problem as the LH mirror would be fit for purpose. - Just a thought.
     
  15. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    SpeedM Yes you have a good point there, as Triumph seem to either be dismissing this as trivial, or genuinely don't realise there is a problem. The trouble with emails is that the person answering might not be the person who should be aware of the problem. I have written to Hinkley to describe what in my opinion is a safety issue, will keep you advised of any response.
    I tested the bar ends mirrors on a long run on Sunday, Wiltshire into Somerset and back home, this Street Twin really is a nice bike, I took it easy for the first 500 miles, now up to 700 and starting to use the engine properly, can't fault it.
     
  16. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    I wrote to "The Head of Quality" at Hinkley, hoping someone would open the letter, I explained who I was and why I was writing to them;-

    "I have noted a problem with the Street Twin design, the right hand mirror attachment point is located 35mm to 40mm inboard relative to the position of the left hand mirror attachment point due to the brake reservoir installation, this results in the right hand mirror being ineffective, it is not possible to adjust the mirrors to give a satisfactory rear view, nor adjust the bracket outboard.
    At the 500 mile service Three Cross replaced the standard mirrors with the Triumph bar end mirrors which are perfectly satisfactory. I requested the replacement due to the original mirrors not being adequate, rather than for cosmetic or other reasons.
    I am contacting you as this, in my opinion, is a safety issue, and in correspondence with other Street Twin owners this seems to be a general opinion.
    I received a feedback form from Triumph shortly after receiving the motorcycle, but this was a commercial feedback regarding Dealer reviews, rather than an opportunity to comment on any technical problems.

    Can I recommend that you carry out an independent quality review of this reported problem as a safety issue with the motorcycle, and also provide a customer feedback for technical comments on new motorcycles.
    Thank you for your assistance and look I forward to hearing your views on this."

    Received an answer this morning from the Operations Manager,

    "Thank you for your letter and taking the time to write to us regarding the issue you have with the mirrors on your Street Twin. We have had customer feedback previously about this issue, and as a result of this we have asked our engineering team to reassess their functionality.
    May I take this opportunity to clarify that the current mirrors meet all legislative requirements and have all the relevant homologation certification.
    I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your comments and for supporting Triumph Motorcycles. I would also like to wish you many more happy miles on your Triumph Street Twin."

    So that's fair enough, they have acknowledged there is a problem and confirmed they are doing something about it, we can't ask for more than that.
    If any other ST owner on here wishes to correspond with Triumph about this, please pm me and I will give you the name and contact details of the person who sent me this letter.

    best om
     
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  17. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Hi OM, I agree a reasonable response that you have received from Triumph and had I received something similar I would not feel quite so miffed with Triumph. I am now wondering if their first response to my e-mail was a computer generated one as I have not had any contact regarding my reply to their response. At least they have recognised the issue and are prepared to reassess the functionality of the part.
    My bike had its' 500 mile service on Thursday and I now feel that I can ride with a bit more freedom, I must say that it is a great little bike and I expect to put many more miles on it, decent autumn/winter weather prevailing that is.
    As for the mirrors I would like to keep the more authentic look of the standard mirrors but need real functionality so I may explore having a bespoke stem made. If that proves not to be viable I will certainly look at the bar end mirrors that you have fitted as they do look good, do they fold in or up as I have limited width access to where I keep my bike? I also intend to fit a centre stand to help in the cleaning/lubrication of the final drive chain and will also help keep the tyres off the ground if stored for any time over the winter.
    Best SpeedM
     
  18. om15

    om15 Active Member

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    No they don't fold, once set in position that's it, however even when tightened they will still rotate to prevent impact damage. I would have been happy to retain the original mirrors, but these ones are really effective for all round view.
    I was thinking of making a 2" extension to the mirror stem out of interest, but decided to keep standard for re-sale.
    Do Triumph make a centre stand, let me know how you get on with that, what do you find best for chain lube?, I use Halfords wax aerosol spray and just give the exposed section a squirt after each ride, reasoning that the whole chain will be kept lubed by doing that, it comes out as a white wax and doesn't leave residues over the frame or wheel.
     
  19. SpeedM

    SpeedM Member

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    Triumph do make a centre stand for the Street Twin at a cost of £195 but they have currently removed it from their online accessories list as they have sold out of them or so I have been told. However, there is a company called TEC who manufacture parts for Triumph bikes including the Street Twin and apparently they are in production now of a centre stand kit which should be available at the end of October at a price of around £90. I am also considering contacting them re the manufacture of an extended mirror stem, will keep you posted on how both inquiries progress. The link for their website is: http://www.tecbikeparts.com and when I emailed them I got a really quick reply.
    I used the "Muc Off" dry chain lube for quite a few years on my speedmaster which worked well especially when used with the Muc off chain cleaner and they are based in Poole I believe. I clean the chain every 500 miles and re-lube every 200 miles but more frequently when used in wet conditions. I have tried the WD40 chain lube briefly but the fling off was pretty spectacular, 3X use something different which I might try, if only I could remember what it was called :(,as it has been good for the first 500 miles.
     
  20. PompeyMark

    PompeyMark Senior Member

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    Morning gents. Not wishing to hijack your thread, I use Wurth chain lube after every couple of hundred miles, the fling off is nearly non existent and a can is about £10 from internet suppliers. Hope that helps.
     
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