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Sky meanwhile, without a hint of irony, report ambulance shortages. Pantomime season. Er, hello? Behind you!

 

When I worked in and e we would unload the patients and "stack" them in a corridor but with covid this can't be done so patients are kept in ambulances sometimes for hours until a space is available, so the shortage Is of available ambulances not ambulances as such

 

Another Cal's allegation fail..

 

But in a moving queue outside a & e not the ambulance park. My wife remembers too.

 

Sandalfarm specified the process being different for covid..

 

Except that in the case of COVID-19 the virus usually has plenty of time to spread prior to symptom onset (in fact in a third of cases there are no symptoms at all); there is therefore little imperative for it to mutate to a more benign version of itself. In other words, there's no reason to assume that we'll see a milder course of illness with subsequent mutations, as the virus is doing rather well as it is.

 

So our eminent virologist says it will behave differently to other strains of coronavirus? That would be strange. No doubt you believe in asymptomatic spread?

 

Psst! The hospitals aren’t actually full.

 

good news, lockdown works then

 

No need for the sarcasm, thanks - it just so happens that there is information elsewhere that goes into far more detail than that on this thread, and people actually qualified to offer meaningful opinions share that view.

Do you not believe in asymptomatic spread?

 

I’ll give you lot a rest. You have swallowed the MSM drivel without reading the Government’s own small print or understanding the OFCOM inhibition on doing what the vaunted Press is actually supposed to do.
Enjoy the fear

 

Er, no. VERY rare. You’ve been listening to Hancock’s Half Hour......and self styled epidemiologists with non hard scientific/clinical backgrounds.

More specifically 17-20% of those actually infected which is a fraction of those testing positive who are not actually infected at all because the PCR test can’t distinguish between active Covid and dead common cold cells killed by your immune system.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

 

Well, as an example the BMJ (in an article co-authored by Allyson M Pollock, professor of public health, and James Lancaster, independent researcher) reports that circa 20% of infections are asymptomatic - are they comedians, then? That's actually a relatively low estimate but there's obviously a lot of other, easily-accessible research on the issue, all of which cites substantial levels of asymptomatic infection. Are you suggesting that it can't be spread (and if so, why, when the entire global health community disagrees with you)?

You really are a very, very strange man. Probably quite fun at dinner parties, though.

 

However if herd immunity has been reached the virus will mutate to get a better chance of survival - if it kills the host to quickly it can’t reproduce and if the host has built up antibodies it can’t reproduce - mutation is the viruses survival technique and I would also expect the mutations to be less damaging to the host to ensure ongoing survival of the virus

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/viruses-and-evolution

One of the fascinating things I discovered about viruses when I served during the West Africa Campaign was that the Ebola virus killed its host in order to survive, at the point of death the virus exited the corpse in the form of mucus, discharge, sweat etc and it was the contact with the body that caused the spread (see African death and funeral traditions) - and that made the Ebola virus so unusual but even then it started mutating to stop killing the host so quickly and pass to new hosts through bodily emissions of Vomit, faeces , urine, blood etc and became easier to treat

 

I gave you the paper! And the context. The only strange thing about me is an ability to smell ordure.

The actual infections are a fraction of the ‘cases’. Hospital admissions for Covid are inevitably symptomatic (otherwise they’d be ‘well’) plus some subsequent hospital acquired infections.

We are nonetheless being told all these walking positives are potential super spreaders...... before you even get to the actual state of population immunity. And yet this is not borne out by hospital admissions for Covid and other respiratory infections where diagnostic lines get blurred. They are close to seasonal norms.

 

You did nothing of the sort - you edited your post following my own. In any event, your views are so out of step with the WHO and the rest of the medical and health communities across the globe that I’m just going to regard you as an anomaly and let you get on with it.

There’s so much information out there that to argue the point would be unproductive - you clearly want to navigate your own path so good luck to you (genuinely).

 

They crossed....

The WHO can only count on 30% of its funding. The remainder comes from paymasters who can direct how it is spent. Tedros was China’s preferred candidate and a biologist who strayed into health policy in Ethiopia’s Marxist Government rather than a clinician. The WHO has just redefined its previous definition of ‘herd immunity’ to exclude natural equilibrium and expressly promote vaccination. Most independent clinicians are pretty horrified at that and for obvious reasons. Go figure.

When it comes to anomalies you have swallowed the gobbledygook of ‘asymptomatic’. Take out the pseudo medical and it means ‘well’. We are being persuaded (with various degrees of success) you can be well unwell and infectious. You might be brewing something and briefly infectious before being obviously symptomatic but respiratory infections are quite quickly damped by your immune system so you cough and splutter live virus less and less. However, the idea a positive PCR test, with no other symptoms, means you carry a live infection is a low order of probability. The test is simply not that accurate so 54k positives will reap a comfortingly small harvest of poor souls actually infected.

Now THAT is strange.

 

Is this even a sentence?

 

And now you want punctuation?

More specifically, 17-20% of those actually infected - which is a fraction of those testing positive (who are not actually infected at all because the PCR test can’t distinguish between active Covid and dead common cold cells killed by your immune system.)

Strictly speaking a dependant clause......

Here’s a pathologist to entertain you
https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1317009997595922433?s=21

 

No, just a verb would do