Thruxton Sheered rear shock bolt

Discussion in 'Thruxton, Scrambler & Trident' started by Kev06, Jan 8, 2017.

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  1. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

    Jun 18, 2016
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    Good idea mate, cheers
     
  2. t552

    t552 Senior Member

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    What you got torque wrench set to? Are you using Newton Meters? Not lbs/feet
     
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  3. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    28nM
     
  4. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

    Sep 29, 2016
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    28 Nm is correct Kev.
    This is when using new bolts which you were.
    I can only think the tight/damaged female thread has caused the head to shear off.
    Were you gradually working up to 28Nm i.e. 24, 26, 28. ?
    It does seem like you have had some bad luck.
    Once you have got the broken stud out, I would definitely run a tap through all the fixing holes.
    I would Forget about using the torque setting, tighten the bolts until the rubber bush starts to compress, the threadlock adhesive will hold it in place.
    Overtightening could strip the thread out of the female fixing which would not be good.
    Fresh start tomorrow!
     
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  5. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

    Jun 18, 2016
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    Thanks.

    Im worried that i cant get the bolt out and need to completely drill it out thus a fresh run of tapping.

    I think your theory and advice is spot on, cheers!
     
  6. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    #26 MickEng, Jan 15, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017
    The tapping drill size for M8 is 6.8mm
    Ideally you should not have to go to this size as you do stand a very good chance of taking some good thread out of the fixing hole.
    Drill a 5.0mm hole as central as you possibly can and use your stud extractor.
    If that doesn't get it step up to 5.5mm, then 6.0mm if needed.
    You will find the bolt thread collapsing and then run your plug tap all the way through the hole.
    The threads may have been tight from previous threadlock still in the thread which is why it is always best practice to run a tap through them.
    Good luck and take your time.

    Use coolant and a sharp drill when drilling, you will be surprised how hot the bolt will get which will make it expand
     
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  7. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    White flag

    Drilled deeper and got a good mating with the screw extractor .......until it fcking snapped.

    Call in the pros and collect bike
     
  8. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Bloody hell Kev!
    Those shockers certainly didn't like being changed
    Is there any of the extractor stuck out ?
    If there is you could carefully angle grind flats on it to fit a spanner or socket and then very gently turn.
     
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  9. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    Sadly not - im now sick fed up with it. Least the bike overall is looking good lol
     
  10. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Kev,
    One last option to try at home if all else fails.
    The extractor if not long enough to make flats on it will have to be machined out.
    To do this you will have to use a solid carbide twist drill (not a masonry bit) as they cut properly.
    You will need a drill guide which needs to fit onto your shock absorber mounting with a hole the same size as your carbide twist drill through the middle to guide the drill.
    This will make sure that your drill is exactly central to the mounting so you could actually drill up to 6.0mm diameter without damaging the thread.
    Carbide will drill the extractor, nice and steady allowing it to cut.
    If you know a local engineering shop they should easily knock up a drill guide for you (£10ish)
     
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  11. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    Had a cuppa and revisited my fcking shock .

    Ive almost got the bolt extractor out - maybe my luck is about to change.

    Then it will be trying to fux the mess left on the bike locating pin by re- tapping I hope.

    Thanks guys for the support, best car or bike forum ive ever been on where guys are so quick to accept you!
     
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  12. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Kev, if you can get the broken extractor out then you could do the following:

    1. Using a left hand thread drill bit of a size slightly bigger than the existing hole and using your drill in reverse, you will be able to gently drill and unwind the broken bit of bolt out of the shock spigot.

    2. Looking at the picture you posted earlier I'm convinced that what you have on your bike is the top shock bush. If you've got some decent mole grips you should be able to grip the metal outer collar of the bush to pull it off; then you will be able to remove the rubber bush. This will give you much better access to the snapped bolt end.
     
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  13. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    I could remove the metal sleeve thats still on the locating pin but not sure it will give significant access but ill try

    Will post some photos when i get it off.
     
  14. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    #34 MickEng, Jan 15, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017
    Kev,
    I believe the shock absorber bush is virtually the same length as the fixing spigot.
    Removing it will not give you any improvement in gripping the broken bolt, but I repeat what I said in my last post that I would make a drill jig that locates on the fixing spigot and use it to accurately drill the extractor and stud out.
    So for this operation the shock absorber and bushes do need removing from the spigot
     
  15. Sprinter

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    I cant understand how a bolt can snap below its torque? Mind you, I have got things back from professional mechanics, overtightened and fu*k"d.

     
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  16. Biker Jock

    Biker Jock Senior Member

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    This is like a suspense thriller. C'mon Kev, you can do it...

    Sorry I can't be of any assistance, but I recognise the situation.
     
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  17. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    Lady luck!

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  18. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    Whats that, is it another extracter? Keep going dude :(;):):):):):):):):)
     
  19. Kev06

    Kev06 Active Member

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    Ha ha!

    No its the snapped one from last weekend that I eventually removed today!

    Still some of the stuck S/S bolt, but not enough i think to affect re-taping the hole.
     
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  20. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    Hay Kev whats happening ?
     
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