Returning To Biking On A Bonneville T100

At first ride by yourself.....joining other riders usually means stretching your self....if new or had a long lay off.

to be honest.....I usually ride with 2 other lots of people....who both ride faster than me.....one not so much....the other quite a bit....I think my more relaxed pace iratest him.

I am considering stopping riding with them....or at least the faster of the 2 and riding solo.....I cant make my mind up.....its great to have company....but not as relaxed.

Last ride out with the faster a week ago...his pal came....he is a track day guy....I stupidly tried to keep up.....making over taking moves I would never normally.....I was very annoyed with myself after that.

If I do ride with these people.....its upto them.....they either ride slower.....or I will see them when we get were we are going.

Ride safe.....make your self seen....I wear a full hi viz over vest...long sleeves to help me been seen.

Yes I look like an old fart but I dont care.

Nick in the UK.

 

Yes that's the best advice. I ride like i ride my bike my pace if you don't like it then of you go i will meet you there. I ride sometimes with my two boys who are faster riders. I just let them go and sooner or later they show up again either waiting or went back and caught me up. No need to do things i don't want to do. @joe mc donald

 

Nice bike. And a good grin does you good. @Joe

 

Well done getting the bars fitted. Are they the Motone Craig bars where the lower parts of the left and right bars locate into each other? They do look a lot better than Triumph's Dresser Bars and are much stronger.

My Craig bars were a nightmare to fit (I too shed blood), not least because the mounting brackets were welded fractionally out of alignment, meaning that I couldn't get all four of the engine mounting bolts to locate in their holes. I did eventually get the bars on and bolts fitted, but only after some expletives and modifications to the bars, when I get the time I will post my fitting experience.

You aren't going to like what I say next.

Those four M12 mounting bolts and locking nuts which secure the engine to the frame and are also used to mount the crash bars are supposed to be tightened to 105Nm, so I'm afraid you've got another 65Nm to go, I doubt pliers will do it. I tell you this not to be smug, but because I really want you to enjoy your pride and joy safely and securely.

Stay safe and enjoy the ride.

 

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Those four M12 mounting bolts and locking nuts which secure the engine to the frame and are also used to mount the crash bars are supposed to be tightened to 105Nm, so I'm afraid you've got another 65Nm to go, I doubt pliers will do it. I tell you this not to be smug, but because I really want you to enjoy your pride and joy safely and securely.

Stay safe and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE]

Ugh. Where did you get that torque figure? I can't recall why I said 40Nm. Honestly at this point I can recall for sure what I did or why I did it.

 

I'm reading the online manual for 2022 T100 now. I must say, it is not the clearest service manual I have ever used. But, I do believe your are correct about the top bolts, left and right. They look to be 105Nm. I just torqued them up. The backing nut held fast and did not slip. Done in 3 minutes.

I am still looking for the lower two bolts.

Man, I am glad you posted this. Thanks so much!!!

Can't believe I torqued them like that. Where do you see the torque for the lower bolts? I want to get them sorted asap.

EDIT: Reading the subscription service manual for my bike. It does indeed look like the lower two bolts at the crankcase area are also 105Nm. But, I am not 100% sure. It does make sense given that a crash bar is attached there etc. But, can some one else look and confirm for sure it is 105Nm?

 

Yeah sorry to add to your pain, but I thought you should know.

The torque figures are in Triumph's instructions for their Dresser Bars. Also in the Haynes workshop manual for the Bonnevilles but less easy to find.

Go to Triumph Instructions.com and type in part number A9788022. Then select the flag for your preferred language and it will download the instructions for you to read and save somewhere safe.

As an aside its worth spending the time downloading the instructions for all the accessories that will fit your bike, they give you lots of understanding about how your bike is put together and useful torque values.

From my crash bar fitting sagas, I've learned that the washer on the top left mount is very important to spread the pressure from such a high torque; it won't fit in Motone's recessed brackets (just a millimetre too wide), but do fit it between the mount and the frame, the top left chassis mount has some sort of threaded alignment bolt that the engine bolts against and the washer spreads the load over the larger void in that frame mount.

I couldn't get any spanner on the nuts on the lower mounts with the Craig bars in place, because of the way the bars interlock behind the radiator. I also realised that the bar running behind the radiator would block access to the cam chain adjuster. So my solution was to saw off the interlocking lengths of bar just beyond the mounts (so they now look like beefy Dresser Bars), that gave me the access I needed to get a stubby spanner on the nuts.

My thinking was that Motone chose such a strong way of welding the mounts to the bars that the extra strength from interlocking the bars with each other was overkill, they are very strong.

Hope this helps and you get sorted soon.

 

I'll re-torque those two lower bolts tonight. I am embarassed that I messed this job up like this. In my defense, I don't understand how the after market folks can get away with instructions that do not give such critical torque specs. I am pretty sure the Motone instruction sheet said nothing about this issue. It's no excuse though, I definitely needed to check the torque numbers myself.

All is well that ends well.

Yes, my habit is to download and also print the instructions for each job I do. They go on my computer and in my growing pile of T100 items to keep track of what I have done.

I fitted that washer as you did.

I want to thank you again. You may have saved me from a disaster.

 

You got an instruction sheet?! Mine came with no instructions, I was also disappointed that my bars came open ended, a perfect corrosion trap given our glorious British weather. Poor show given Motone’s reputation.

Anyway, because I’d ordered the black bars, my solution to that “fault” was to order the frame bungs that Triumph fit into the frame rail ends under the rear of the seat, perfect water tight fit and looks like they were made that way.

 

I've got chrome. But, my bike is sort of calling out for black. Maybe I'll just start over again.

 

It was a bit of a saga today. But, the job is done. All four bolts torqued to 105Nm. It required some new special Triumph tools.




I can't take credit for the cut in half wrench. I got that idea from somewhere on the internets. Worked like a charm actually.

Thank you all for helping me get it sorted out. I will sleep well tonight knowing my frame bolts are properly torqued.

Guess I better go out and wash my tank - looks awful in that pic.