Rant of the day

We voted as a DEMOCRACY to leave---Majority rule-we were told this at school along with "When in Rome do as the Romans do". It now seems that the majority Don't rule and in Britain anyone who comes here do as they like(apart from Brittish people) who must obey the law. Tony Blair is an arse

 

Not with this vote, keep holding referendums until the silly thick Brexiteers vote correctly or else we're not playing!
Much more serious than that though, they are like the enemy within trying to put every obstacle in the way of a democratic decision to leave.
Even to the extent of reporting on Dave Davies for pretending to kiss Dianne Abbott.
He has a little joke sarcastically thanking her in the last commons vote for voting in favour albeit under duress from her ex lover Jeremy Corbyn (the first vote she phoned in sick with a migraine)
She tells Dave Davies to "F*** Off"
You couldn't make it up, these people are running our country.
Its like watching the fall of the Roman Empire, Borgias and the Medicis all rolled into one with a bit of Dallas thrown in for the topping.
Hilarious if it wasn't so serious for the future generations of Britain.

 

If you were told 'Majority rule' at school you were given too simple a definition of democracy. Firstly we are a parliamentary democracy, not one run by plebicite. Second the Leave campaign was based on dishonest misrepresentation - which is anti-democratic. Third the referendum was to leave/stay EU - there was no mention of leaving the single market, and indeed the Leave campaign pretty much promised we'd be able to both maintain single-market membership and control immigration aka freedom of movement, but now we know that was dishonest and that we can't have our cake and eat it. Fourth, democracy does not mean rule by the majority to the exclusion of the interests of the minority. 27% of the electorate voted leave for a variety of reasons, and much of that a protest vote that didn't expect to win. So 73% of the electorate voted to remain or showed no interest. The views and needs of that 73% need to be considered if this truly is a democracy. Fifth 16 and 17 year olds were not given the vote, but will be of voting age when Brexit becomes reality - opinion polls suggest that age group were overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.

And if the Leavers are so certain of their position why the fear of a second referendum to vote on the actual outcome of negotiations? It not only gives you a chance to see whether the elite metropolitans many protested against and who are now in charge of Brexit have followed through with promises that Britain would be made Great again, and gives the chance to vote against any deal that fucks us over. Who knows, St Theresa might come out with such a good deal that remainers like me will change our minds, cuz it's not as if we don't see the gaping democratic deficit inherent in the EU institutions.

And agreed, Blair is an arse, but don't confuse his c^ntishness with the merits of proper political debate about such a momentous unknown. Just cuz Remainers lost the vote doesn't mean the opposition should shut up, that's not how democracy works. After all, an effective opposition is part of effective democracy.

Rant over.

 

well said my friend........

 

Very well put DD, and it's as simple as that.
FFS we had months of canvassing, lies and exaggerations from both sides, no need to go through it all again, the people who bothered to vote made the decision to leave.
Unfortunately for minors they are also not allowed to drink, smoke, marry, watch 18 rated films, vote or allowed on jury service. The rules of our land!
All I can say as a final word on this, is that people do have the freedom to leave our green and pleasant land if they so wish.

 

Very well put together Rich.
But unfortunately none of that won the vote to remain.
Months of preparation prior to win votes, the truth of it is the Remainers never even contemplated losing which my friend is tough shit.
No good anyone wingeing about who should have or could have voted.
The good people of voting age did vote and we know the result.
I love Britain, born here, worked all my life here contributing and paying hundreds of thousands of pounds in taxes, I for one don't want to see a broken Britain contributing endlessly to bankrupt, corrupt countries and seeing our NHS system abused by persons of all nationalities who have never nor will ever contribute a penny to our country. It is a 'National' Health Service not 'International'
Charity begins at home, when we can look after our own people well enough, then by all means look towards helping others.
I predict the total collapse of the EU within 10 years.

 

No argument here that Leave won (not resoundingly though as some would have you believe) and as a result our government led by a PM without a mandate (didn't stand as a future PM at a General Election as per constitutional convention) will negotiate the terms of Brexit, which is fair enough. But from what I remember no-one voted for a platform that promised Leave at Any Cost. We were promised 'no more unwanted immigrants' and '£350m pwk reinvested in the NHS', nothing else beyond vague notions of being able to negotiate better trade deals independently than could be possible as a member of the most powerful trading block in the world, as if. So the sensible solution has to be for us all to hold the politicians to account. If the deal they strike is rubbish then vote against accepting it. Surely you'd not want to cut off your nose to spite your face, so to speak. And to extend the metaphor, we're currently in danger of using a blunt knife to lose the nose, blindfolded with one hand tied behind our back. If, however, Saint Theresa proves to be a highly skilled plastic surgeon and we're gonna end up with looks to out rival James Dean, Marlon Brando, Steve McQueen or even the Fons on their Triumphs, then I would definitely change my vote to Leave, but I fear that ain't gonna happen.

btw, I detest Tories even more than I detest that loathsome $h!t Bliar, in case you hadn't twigged.

And fwiw 'NHS system abused by persons of all nationalities who have never nor will ever contribute a penny to our country. It is a 'National' Health Service not 'International' ... doesn't really hold up. The NHS is held together by immigrants. 10% of all registered doctors in the UK are EU immigrants as are 4% of nurses. Double that from outside the EU, and even more so for nurses. Without immigrants the NHS would collapse cuz we simply just don't have the capacity to train enough professionals. And in the year to March '16 the UK paid other countries £674m, while receiving just £49 million in return for health care costs. This suggests that UK citizens abroad use much more of foreign health services than do foreigners over here, but also demonstrates some of the inefficiencies in our NHS, because government studies suggest the NHS should have recouped £350 million, but administration just didn't bother - nevertheless this still shows Brits abroad run up twice the health costs of foreigners over here. Moreover, every study shows a substantial net positive tax impact of immigrants in the UK, in the billions of pounds.

 

Rich,
It is quite obvious that legal immigrant doctors and nurses working in Britain within the NHS contribute, what is your point ? It is the complete non-contributors who use the NHS that I was referring to.

As for holding politicians to account, when has that ever happened, look at the constant scandals that continue surfacing, expenses, paedophiles, corruption, banking, phone tapping the list goes on.
An odd scapegoat who has fallen foul of the system will be made an example of every now and again.

I am calling a halt on myself with the political posting, as enlightening as it has been, it is not why I joined the Triumph forum.

 

I fekkin' hate BODGERS aka, those twots who lack the skills, knowledge and / or ability but still insist they are capable of tackling a job that's completely out of their skill set.
Take my neighbour ,please! he's an office walla who thinks he is God's gift to fixing anything although he has never been a mechanic or anything and has never been in a workshop.

Yesterdays conversation goes along these lines

"Do you have a spark plug spanner that'll fit my mower"
Me: "What size"
"Like this" (showing me a mangled box spanner with rounded out corners that came with the mower)
Me: "You've made a proper mess of that, what were you doing"
"ERR, well it wouldn't turn the plug so I got a pipe wrench on it"
Me: "Oh bugger, fetch it round and I'll have a look"
"OK, can you give me a push with it" (didn't tell me it was a ride on mower)
Well we shoved the damned thing to my cave, not only has he FUBAR'd the plug spanner, he's also smashed the ceramic.
So out comes the socket set, hot air gun and Plus Gas.
Me: "Pass me that extended socket, the short extension and T bar"
"What"
Me: "That, that and that" (whilst applying a generous coat of Plus Gas). Left to stand for a few minutes and heating it up.
"OK, are you turning that the right way"
Me: "What do you mean" It's a right hand thread like all spark plugs"
"Well, I was turning it the other way and it started turning"
Me: "You muppet, you were tightening it up, that's how you buggered the plug spanner and you might have damaged the thread too"

After a few minutes of heat gun and steady applied force out came the remnants of the offending spark plug. A quick check of the threads and found he's one lucky fekker, no damage.

Remember the old saying "Loosie Leftie, Rightie Tightie" and if you're not sure ASK for Help, Advice or BOTH.

On the up side, I'm sitting here writing this and drinking his "Thank You"

 

That's the trouble with serious rants, they get us anal tw@ts all fired up.

 

What pisses me off is when swmbo asks 'did you read the instructions?'. FFS I'm a bloke, instruction books and user manuals are last resort of the hopeless.

 

Well it was kind of tongue in cheek Jez. I wouldn't pull the innards of my bike apart without at least a quick glance at a Haynes.

 

'kinel Jez, and it was a sunny biking day today too, what a p!$$er.

 

That reminds me of the first time I ever changed a clutch.
Vauxhall Viva HB was the motor.
Read the Haynes manual, spoke to a few engineering mates, made myself a clutch alignment tool and was really looking forward to doing it.
My parents house had a pit in the garage, so just as I got the car in place and ready, who should turn up but my best mate who was basically useless at all things mechanical and he had come to help!
Right thought I what can he do while I disconnect all the necessaries under the bonnet, so I sent him down the pit to disconnect the clutch cable, simple enough, locking nut and the adjusting screw to take off.
After a serious bit of time I asked how he was going on.
"Doesn't seem to be coming undone" came the reply
"Hang on, I'll come down and have a look"
The twat had put a ring spanner on and without undoing the lock nut had kept winding for what must have been 1,000 revolutions, F***ing broken and twisted cable wires coming off in every direction.
"FFS you stupid twat, look what you've f***ing done"
"Oh sorry, is there owt else I can do ?"
"Yes, get down to the Vauxhall dealers and get a new f***ing clutch cable"
Well that cable took me longer to fit than changing the entire clutch mechanism.
Upside down under the footwell trying to get the cable nipple into the pedal location that was up somewhere in the back of beyond, what a f***ing job.
I have never allowed anyone to assist me on vehicle maintenance ever since.

 

I remember being at my older brothers wedding with my girlfriend and having to endure the "sinful desires of the flesh" sermon.
I swore that if it ruined my Saturday night plans, I'd never go to church again, luckily she mustn't have been paying much attention to the sermon.

 

BODGERS CONTINUED

So back in the summer '74 I bought my first car, a well used D reg Triumph Herald. Did a fair bit of fettling with a mate helping (the same mate who'd bought a non-runner Mini Cooper five years earlier to do up and hadn't touched it since). Sent him to the motor shop to buy new bolts for the rear near-side half shaft and after replacing the rubbers and stuff I had him tighten that side up with my torque wrench, all proper like. So later driving it round the local streets the new bolts on the half shaft only sheered and dropped the friggin' wheel as we cornered left. Right size bolts to be fair, in mild bloody steel, gaaargh!

 

Never heard that expression before but it sounds extremely derogatory so it will do for me.

 

Still wouldn't buy a used car from Tony Blair.........!!!!!!!!!............or that Cameron t##t..........

 

If you've been in church that long - maybe you should be known as Father Dozers Dad

 

DD don't forget there are three rings to marriage!
1) Engagement ring
2) Wedding ring
3) Suffer ring

Are congratulations almost in order DD or is it someone else ?
6 hours in church on a bright Saturday sounds like the the suffer ring has started a little early to me.

 

Early 80's I bought a non-runner Renault 4, siezed solid so loads of diesel, WD40 and Redex down the plug 'oles, stupid brother tries to turn it over before its ready on the starting handle and snapped the dog off the crank pulley, trying to prove how strong he was!!
TWAT!!!
after sevearl days it freed up, and turned over on the starter motor but the cow would not fire up but back firing the the box and carb, out comes the Haynes manual, checked every thing over and over again, called a mate of mine who owned a vehicle restoration business so he should know whats wrong, read the book, same thing, his brother came round, and said its timed 180 deg, out, no it fuckin aint, look at the book says me, then we discovered the Haynes manual is WRONG, the direction of the distributor rotor is round the wrong way!!
Set it up 180 deg 'reversed' to the book, and it fired up straight away, got it MOT'ed and did so many miles in it, one of the best cars I've ever had!
All for £25!!