I recently test rode a Ducati Streetfighter V2 and I have to say it is in a different league to my current STRS, the electronics alone are way above what the new Triumph Moto 2 Street offers. I am seriously thinking of changing, what is making me a little hesitant is that I have spent an awful lot on my STRS, this includes recently purchasing K Tech full front fork internal and a rear shock, just shy of 2K, add to that a couple of de cat performance exhausts, and lots of other Triumph extras at point of purchase, all that said I can remove them all apart from heated grips and sell them on, the remap has ironed out the low revs snatchiness and it runs flawless, the V2 Streetfighter still performs better in my mind so I guess I am trying to convince myself to buy. https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/streetfighter/streetfighter-v2/electronics
If you are needing the dealer to service and maintain your Ducati your pockets will need to be somewhat deeper. My Street Triple was purchased for purely ergonomic reasons. It’s a piece of engineering that is purely functional and does what it says on the tin. Whereas I love my pre-unit Triumph and my Ducati. If you were to park my Street Triple, my Ducati and my son’s 900 Thruxton next to each other which bikes are Joe Public most likely to quiz you about? As for riding the Ducati it’s that stonking L twin that is impressing you.
All those liter bikes are porky: 461 lbs, 467 lbs, 472 lbs. MT-09 only revs to 10.5 not 12.5 like the Street Triple. Gosh I never realized how high the bars are on the MT-09. Yeah the V2 is going to be more ballsy and fancy. I guess I just want my high strung 765 sportsbike back, lol.
Your probably right but it would be a close run thing with the Ducati. We were discussing this the other day and came to the conclusion that because it looks so much like the UK built bikes of the 60s, 70s and 80s the enquirers will have owned or know someone who did own such a machine back in the day. Triumph have capitalised on this by keeping the engine format so similar to the Meriden machines even down to making the throttle bodies resemble carbs. I think it’s brilliant. Whereas the engine in my Street Triple is just a lump, technically advanced but nonetheless a lump.
I have had Ducati's before and regularly ride my sons Panigale 1299s, the servicing is not an issue as a qualified mechanic albeit some time ago, although I have kept up with the technical side of things and service and repair a range of machines. Interestingly though the Ducati dealer servicing is more reasonable than Triumph, take the 765rs the 12,000 miles service is £750 plus an extra £150 if the valves need adjusting, the 12,000 service only covers checking the clearances and not any adjustments. The BMW I had was even cheaper to service, I do have my machines dealer serviced up until they are 2 years old and out of warranty, I then service them myself, I keep all the receipts and only use OEM parts, also I take photographs and download them to a USB stick for evidence of undertaking the service as per the schedule, the biggest cost for me are tyres as I only use Racetech RRs or Supercorsa's, and as we know these are only good for around 3,000 miles, interestingly though the Panigale 1299s weighs less than my 765rs, for a machine now putting out 220 bhp it is such an easy bike to ride, although I can't ride it for any length of time, hence I need a more upright machine. Ride safe all from an ageing Rocker.
I'm deposit down on a yellow Moto2 and my money is staying there. If I had to make another choice then the Streetfighter would probably be it. I'm sure it feels pretty peppy, but it is a litre bike and designed to be a fun ride. I can't see too much difference with the electronics... perhaps you can fiddle more with the Ducati's. EBC is about the only thing the Moto2 doesn't have. It does have 5 modes (including Rider... set what you want) and the ability to basically turn it all off if that's your thing. It also has full Ohlins and Brembo Stylema. Ducati, unfortunately seem to have a dislike of cruise control and I'm really pleased Triumph have added the option... we all end up on the freeway at some point. The Streetfighter, MT10 and offerings from KTM all have a dirtbike in their parentage, the Streetie is all race bike and I think the thing I like about it the most is its linear power delivery and racy nature. Of all of them though the Streetfighter is the sexiest looking machine. It's agressive and kinda menacing... I love the look of the V2 in grey. Horses for courses and you can't lose with any of them. I'm not going to buy one or the other over a couple of thousand. Go with the one that suits your riding style or try them all in turn.
Was it worth it? I have a gen1 and personally don't see any significant leaps foward to either gen2 or now although I haven't test ridden the moto2 but must admit I do like the yellow option.
I have a 2020 RS. I don't think there is much/any difference other than color until the new 2023 model. For all 3 new Street Triples there are many changes... mostly internal (engine/gearbox) but also to the geometry of the frame plus the IMU and optional cruise control. From what I understand Triumph are only taking customer orders for the Moto2 version so they are unlikely to be available for test rides. And so far I don't think anyone has got to test ride the other 2 (R/RS) either... or even examine their electronics. Of course eventually the R/RS will end up at your local dealer for your testing pleasure The RS and the Moto2 are pretty much the same bike... minus the front forks, clipons and Moto2 branding. Most people will probably prefer the R/RS anyway and they look pretty sweet in their new colors. All get a bit more HP, a little sharper steering and some changes to gear ratios to make them even more lively. I think there are worthwhile updates across the 3 of them. They are loaded with stuff you previously had to buy "the big bike" to get. I really like that...not everybody wants a 200+ hp demon. edit: If you want to have a closer look then the 44 teeth video is probably the best look at all 3.
I didn't buy gen2, only sold my gen1. Back then what I really wanted to try was something beefy and torquey, so I moved over to the Speed Triple. Later I also was missing my higher strung 765. That's how I got to this point of reacquiring another one 6 years later (!!! 2017 to 2023).
I know what you mean about beefier. Before my 765rs I had a Honda CB1000R and the 765 wipes the floor with it everywhere, handling, weight, etc but the Honda felt stronger on the pull away. I think Triumph got the 765rs spot on first go but wish they'd do a beefier one in the same package, especially weight, so maybe use the same chassis with an 865 motor aiming at mid range torque and say 130 bhp I appreciate that's a big ask with all the emissions control, noise regs etc.
it is, and the RS. RS & Moto2 Max Power EC 130 PS / 128.2 bhp (95.6 kW) @ 12,000 rpm Max Torque EC 80 Nm @ 9,500 rpm The R is unchanged at 10 bhp less.
So hands up, who's test ridden one of these moto2's and what have you compared it to? Paper spec is all well and good but what's the reality.
If Triumph granted a mythical +100cc Street Triple, they'd just spend it on a stretched 1st gear. I think you might be pining for a Duke 890 or SF V2! I don't intend to pan Triumph's collection of improvements for gen2 and gen3, but more or less it's still the same 765 as we've known for six years. I can see gen1 RS swapping for better mid-range and auto-blipper. People with gen2 ... that's a tough call, is it worth swapping for a few extra peak ponies, imu and new cogs? 15T is a lot cheaper solution.
From what I can see. Nobody is going to get to ride it until early next year, by which point the Moto2 will "probably" be sold out.
I understand that the gen 2 RS has only got the improved mid range that the R already had. Was it and is it still worth the extra over the R? I love my big analogue tacho and certainly wouldn’t swop it for the TFT of the RS. As for the latest one, are you really going to notice the extra power output, no more torques as Clarkson would say. As I see it the biggest improvement is in the electronics now being lean angle sensitive. Forgive me I didn’t understand the 15T reference. Probably shows how much notice I take of manufacturers other than Ducati and now other Triumph models.