Corona Virus

A full face helmet with the shield down will work better than the way a lot of folks seem to be wearing their masks!

 

Actually, chari1, the recommendations from medical and public health experts and scientists are pretty simple. Wear a mask in public (some add "when not able to socially distance"), socially distance, wash your hands. It's no secret and it's not rocket science. I think the "vague and ridiculous" part comes in when it's the politicians making the recommendations.

 

Well, it's certainly happening in Arizona and in the U.S. unfortunately. And evidently we're still in the first wave as we never quelled the first one.

 

The same thing happened in Arizona, DCS. Our "uptick" (nice way to phrase INCREASE) started nearly two weeks to the day when our governor lifted his stay-at-home order.

 

As today is mask day in England, how about a little survey?

No research allowed.

How many COVID sufferers do you think
- there currently are in England?
- were admitted to hospital (daily number)?
- are currently in hospital?
- are currently on ventilation?
-

 

I can tell you without looking there are 5 covid patients in my local hospital and 1 on a community ward...

And?

 

And nothing.

What's your guess for the whole country?

 

I don’t care... I’m just aware that there is still active Covid in my local area and that warrants continued proactive protective measures.

 

20,000?!?! That's more than NASCAR had before Covid.

 

None of us knows the truth. The government and health services are recording in their own way, differently in each country. The media is feeding off the sales of their bullshit stories. The figures are exceedingly dodgy at the very best. Joe public is supposed to be kept in the dark and in fear, in order to keep us in control.

 

Just to add some perspective.

In France the average age at death from C19 was 81.3 years old. Life expectancy in France is 82.9

Dunno about you, but if I was in my 80s, I'd happily take the risk of losing a few months to enable my grandchildren to have an economic future.

yes, some younger people succumb to it, but they are outliers, you get outliers with all infectious diseases.

If you didn't know, life expectancy for Men in UK is 79.9 years

 

Another perspective.
There's people younger than 81.3 at risk with diabetes COPD etc, shall we cull them as well?

 

What's the point of guessing, @garethr? That seems like caring what people's opinions are related to wearing masks, for example. I don't really care what their opinions are anymore. I care about the effectiveness of the practice based on research. I live in a country currently filled with guessers, sound bite regurgitaters, and opinion spouters--from across the political spectrum. As you can probably surmise, I'm sick and tired of it.

 

I can't speak for the US, but there is no need to guess here in the UK, the numbers are on the gov.uk website.

Firstly, I suspect that, after the relentless barrage of propaganda over the last 4 months, many, possibly most, people in England would vastly overestimate the numbers, and the risks that they face.

Secondly, I think we might have ended up with the worst of all possible options. We spent an unimaginable amount of money trying to protect those who are at least risk, while deliberately putting the elderly in harm's way and not doing enough to shield some of those who were vulnerable because of culture and/or race.

Now we have to wear "face coverings" in shops when the chances of even encountering an infected person are minimal, primarily, it seems to me, so that the government can tell any future inquiry that "We did the same as Nicola Sturgeon.".

Instead of the propaganda, just give us the facts, explain the true extent of the risks and exactly who needs to be protected, and let us make up our own minds.

Incidentally
The Office of National Statistics (ONS) estimates that 1 in 2300 people in England has the virus.
(Of course, on the day before face covering day, the ONS also said that the "proportion of adults wearing a face covering when leaving the home increased from 61% to 71%", which was so far from reality that it's beyond satire.)


According to the gov.uk website
Friday 24 July 2020
Number of COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital, reported on Wednesday, 22 July 2020 - 40
Number of COVID-19 patients currently in hospital, reported on Friday, 24 July 2020 - 928
Number of COVID-19 patients currently in mechanical ventilation beds, reported on Friday, 24 July 2020 - 92
The population of England is 56 million(ish).

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

This is a motorcycle forum. We ride motorcycles. Which do you think represents the greater risk to your continued existence, your Triumph or COVID-19?

 

On the 24th July your right the odds are death by bike, unfortunately the Covid 19 statistic is variable depending on adherence to prevention procedures

 

The stats are encouraging, but that can change very quickly if we do not continue to practice social distancing ....... We need to get through this winter before we can start to feel safe from this virus.....

 

you quote these figures with gay abandonment, but you are the otherside of a peak that was happening during some extraordinary proactive action. We cannot speculate just how bad it might have been if ventator capacity hadn’t been increased, if social distancing and shielding hadn’t been enforced... the only Speculative bollox I’ll listen to is what might have happened if we’d been more proactive earlier... then we might not of had to borrow so much money to pull the country through... but saying there’s “a few outliers”... Jesus Christ, we still don’t know the long term health issues with this beast... there are health care workers who suffered this disease and some died... because they were trying to cope with a global health crisis... tell me that Simon Guest was just collateral fucking damage.

 

And it has become quite clear what prevention procedures are effective.

https://www.fastcompany.com/9051990...id-death-rates-100-times-lower-than-projected