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  1. TillyB

    TillyB Active Member

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    That’s an interesting dynamic, if we would have sided with the Germans what would the Second World War looked like? As I have read it the majority of benefit of Entente Cordiale was the agreement around who controlled what in Africa and other colonies. This was before the joining of the three way relationship with France and Russia which appears to be more influential for the First World War. I could find no references at all to a correlation between the Entente Cordiale and this having an impact for the Second World War.
     
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  2. Tom Gillam

    Tom Gillam Guest

    Maybe you should google a bit harder,as I said,not my opinion but an academic theory.
    There wouldn’t have been a Second World War,Hitler wouldn’t have had the opportunity.
     
  3. Sandi T

    Sandi T It's ride o'clock somewhere!
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    Yep, Ken, I should have done a better job at proofreading before clicking "Post Reply". ;):joy:

    Thanks for the good luck wishes and cheers to you, too! :kissing_heart:
     
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  4. Sandi T

    Sandi T It's ride o'clock somewhere!
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    Glad you're safe, @BonnieCat but I'm sorry to see the rioting in your country. What a mess is happening 'round the globe.
     
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  5. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, France, all these movements seems to be more on the politic/ideology side than directly related to covid.
    Covid is a kind of pretext for those movements. Sad.
     
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  6. Tallpaul

    Tallpaul Noble Member

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    Agree. These movements have been hijacked by political extremists, same with BLM.
     
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  7. TillyB

    TillyB Active Member

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    Who was the academic who came up with the theory?
     
  8. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Sanofi made an agreement with BionTech .. hurra!! Wait a minute..
    The agreement is not about producing the vaccine, but to bottle it.. starting in July..
    Well, nothing really changed.
     
  9. Sprinter

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    Arn't you speaking about the WW1 Surrender Terms, that lead to the unrest in Germany.
     
  10. Tom Gillam

    Tom Gillam Guest

    No I’m not speaking about that,I’ve merely repeated something about a discussion about the entente cordiale which I heard elsewhere,it’s a theory or conjecture,similar to listening to some parts of the BBC news.
     
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  11. TillyB

    TillyB Active Member

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    So, last night it was "It was a major contributor to both world wars and without it we would have less likely to have war with Germany."
    And today "it’s a theory or conjecture"

    Interesting shift in significance......
     
  12. Tom Gillam

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    I’m not sure what you’re trying to”prove” but it appears to be childish political point scoring.
    IF we hadn’t had the Entente Cordiale it would have been less likely that we would have had a war with Germany and without that war the second war wouldn’t have happened in the way that it did.It’s a theory,so what’s your problem?
    It didn’t happen that way,that’s history,you can’t knock a statue over and try and change it but some people, (perhaps not yourself),do discuss the “what if” possibilities whether you agree or not.
     
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  14. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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    Interesting - but feck all to do with Corona Virus! :joy::joy:
     
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  15. Tom Gillam

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    The Eu has ordered 300 million AstraZeneca vaccines but is yet to approve it!
    The vast majority of the vaccine is produced in the U.K. which is going well,although a plant in Belgium is failing to meet it’s targets which I believe were destined for the Eu.
     
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  16. BonnieCat

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    Interesting article about the Dutch riots

    So who are the rioters who have taken to the streets all over the Netherlands for the past few days, and why are they rioting? Commentators and experts have been trying to attach some meaning to this week’s street violence. Journalist Catherine Keyl, who was present at some of the squatters riots in Amsterdam 40 years ago and made a documentary about Urk, is in no doubt in the Telegraaf. ‘It’s too easy to call these people scum, or say they’re being held back through lack of opportunities, or that they simply don’t hold with authority,’ she wrote. ‘I fear that what we have here is a bunch of spoiled brats who are bored and go on the rampage for kicks. Am I wrong to say that girls were in a minority? In that case there is some hope for the future.’

    The Capitol
    Foreign commentator Bernard Hammelburg said on BNR radio that the riots were ‘not that different’ from what happened at the Capitol in the US. ‘Torching a test facility, demolishing a train station and attacking a hospital is perhaps worse than storming a parliamentary building,’ he said. ‘Anti-corona measures nutjobs are linking arms with anti-corona measures hooligans, he said. ‘These are the types who, at home, in their own environment and even without going on demonstrations don’t give a shit either. I’m pretty sure these are the groups that are largely responsible for the high number of infections. And the curfew that they’re so opposed to.’

    Far right
    In the NRC, political scientist Léonie de Jonge said that although it is not exactly clear who the rioters are and what motivates them, some had clearly been listening to the far right. The PVV and Forum voor Democratie, she said ‘incited the events because they literally called for riots’. She pointed out that the local branch of the PVV on Urk said it ‘would do everything in its power prevent the curfew from taking place place’ and that the FvD had said ‘this is the second night that Rutte imprisons the Netherlands. The FvD will continue to resist’. These incendiary right wing messages for the behaviour of some of the rioters, at the parties front doors, she said.

    State control
    In an analysis on news site Nu.nl, sociologist Don Weenink said the riots of the last few days were not necessarily politically motivated. ‘What we saw in Amsterdam is that a large group sees the anti coronavirus measures as an intensification of state control and that they honestly believe that the virus is used to control and manipulate people,’ he wrote. ‘And in their wake hooligans then believed this legitimised the use of violence because they feel the government doesn’t listen to them anyway.’ Weenink called the ‘excitement and feeling of power’ the youngsters experience ‘a moral holiday’.

    Men
    In Trouw columnist Stevo Akkerman said the rioters were a ‘strange mix of conspiracy theorists, extreme nationalists and bored adolescents’. ‘But all riots have one thing in common,’ he said. ‘The perpetrators are men, men are the perpetrators. I don’t know if it’s in their genes, their upbringing or their social environment but probably it’s a bit of everything. But we can no longer look away. [..] Whatever it is it’s what we call ‘a thing’.’

    No mercy
    In the same paper, behavioural psychologist Frenk van Harreveld said that ‘no mercy’ should be shown to hardened rioters. ‘There’s only one thing you can do with this small group and that is lock them up,’ Herreveld said. This will also prevent the large group who demonstrated peacefully from being ‘sucked into their sentiment’, Van Harreveld said. ‘No matter how difficult, the police must distinguish between the different sub groups. You mustn’t alienate peaceful protesters by treating them as hooligans. Talk to them instead of confronting them with batons and shields.’

    Understanding
    On opinion site Joop sociologist and columnist Shervin Nekuee objected to the incendiary use of war terms and pleads for ‘understanding of the rioting youngsters’. ‘The refusal to understand what is happening with these youngsters is indicative of the failure by the stable middle classes to put themselves in their place,’ Nekuee said. It is not easy, he wrote, ‘if you are young and dependent for social, cultural and material sustenance on parents who have not much to give to show resilience and swallow your frustration in the face of the current measures that are extra constricting for young souls.’

    Read more at DutchNews.nl:
     
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  17. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Thanks @BonnieCat . really complete and interesting global analysis.
     
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  18. Tom Gillam

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    Last night,Germany formerly demanded that the Eu block all exports of vaccine produced within the bloc.
    The Eu placed it’s AstraZeneca order 3 months later than the U.K. placed theirs,and the Eu is now panicking.
     
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  19. MARKYMARKTHREE

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