Corona Virus

Are we witnessing a deeply cynical political ploy? We are supposed to be grateful for ‘their’ lockdown when cases are falling independent of government action and in the face of ludicrous ‘expert’ (not a forecast) projections?! Look at the red/yellow lines.....

 

And also keep in mind that testing has been increased, as an example: https://medium.com/voices-of-the-ar...ps-distribute-tests-in-birmingham-f30c432d82c

So for the governments infection rate statistics to have any perspective they also need to show the figures for the actual total number of tests carried out.

 

Well not only have they got the wrong answer they are determined not to show the workings of their own arithmetic. Note that official Covid numbers are about to be combined with flu (and every other unidentified respiratory infection.)

 

And they do more testing where they already know there are more infections.

And, under certain circumstances, there are more false positive results than real positive results.

And c.85% of the people who test positive have no symptoms.

And it's possible to run the test in such a way that people who have recovered from the virus, probably without knowing they were infected, show as positive.

And the scientist who devised the PCR test says that it should not be used as it is being used.

And there are anecdotal reports of people who go to be tested and register, but leave before swabs are taken, receiving letters saying that the test result was positive.

And ALL the numbers, not just the number of infections (not "cases"), are probably unreliable.

 

Spitting my dummy out. Watching the daily briefing. Pure propaganda devoid of context and full of ‘could’ not ‘would’. Graphics designed to instil fear in the ignorant (darker shades of brown ) but really pretty amateurish with ludicrous scales to amplify.

The killer? They are using the data in the graph above right up to 4 Oct where it all turns South. Funny that......

 

The Ozzie's now recon that covid can live for up to a month on some surfaces under the right conditions......FFS if this was true most of us would already be infected talk about scare mongering.

 

So if I understand what you guy's are saying (@Callumity , @MadMrB et al) the government is going down it's current track because they want to wreck the enconmy and in some way control the masses. Am I the only one on the forum that does not understand this? I'm in the vunerable age group along with many others on this forum. And if we think that letting the virus run wild is the right thing to do it really does concern me a lot...

 

I don't think anyone is saying that the government wants to wreck the economy, but that is a result of their actions. The government was originally against lockdowns and wanted to follow the herd immunity strategy, however the media and some opposition politicians got hysterical and made such a noise that the government lost all objectivity and surrendered to the mass lockdown strategy.

I also don't think anyone is saying "let the the virus run wild". What I believe we should be doing is controlling the virus and the damaged caused, by protecting the vulnerable and allowing the healthy population to get infected and develop immunity. Once the healthy population has fought off the virus and developed immunity, then they are no longer a threat to the vulnerable population. Otherwise the virus could be with us for a very long time, and those who are vulnerable will be at risk of being exposed to it to for a far longer time, therefore more are likely to succumb to the virus and die.

Sweden that did not have a lockdown and are not generally wearing masks, now has one of the lowest overall death rates in Europe, and their death rate is now below their 5 year average and has been or there abouts for around 6-8 weeks.



Unfortunately death is part of life, and we do also have to be realistic, given that the average life expectancy in the Uk is 81 years, how many of the deaths attributed to Covid were not just a natural end of time?

The graph below is from the Office for National Statistics:

 

I love ya, JtC, but on this aspect of our forum friendship we'll just have to agree to disagree. I do love this country and the freedom it stands for. And one of the many things about I love about this great nation is being able to agree to disagree and voice our differences of opinion.

 

Governments seldom control events. They are often paralysed by indecision and their own mistakes. Other actors have their own motives.
Remember the early inattention of February (Get Brexit Done!) and hostile public reaction to ‘herd immunity’ and going down the same route as Sweden? Throw in scary forecast from Imperial College and Cabinet takes fright. How do you then unwind? You don’t. You are scared of public reaction and play for time. The economic damage to people’s lives is too much to admit. It then gets to the point where continued deception while the virus burns out is part of your political salvation.
So, no, I don’t think the Government wants to damage the economy but they are more worried about damaging themselves. Heck, there are some people out there saying, “We want tougher medicine “ and that really is sick.
The academics with egos, professional pride, reputations and links to pharmaceuticals can answer for themselves but let’s not pretend they are not deeply split. And when a scientist won’t argue their corner or makes personal attacks it is the opposite of scientific method which is based on enquiry and evidence.
You do realise on the Government’s own figures that the average age of Covid related deaths is one year older than the average age of death? We have collectively lost the plot. Immortality awaits us all.

 

About 42,825 people have been recorded as dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test, which we know is a problematic number due to Covid not necessary being the cause of death, and the false positive tests etc. For some perspective, the UK has previously seen excess deaths on a simlar (maybe worse) scale relatively recently.

 

Can't understand you lot you ride bikes, and know your next ride could be your last killed or injured by some half wit or by your own mistake. Treat this covid like you treat your riding take care the best you can and trust to fate.

 

I do! Personal responsibility not some politico telling me to stay parked up!

 

And by the same token (to use the statisticians’ term) NZ had a horrible 18/19 flu season that took their ‘dry tinder’ so they had far fewer susceptible to Covid.

 

A distinguished American has put things this way:

‘This is what I think has happened. It will disappoint the conspiracy theorists. But come on, our Govt couldn’t conspire to put jam on a slice of bread without dropping it on the shag pile. So this’ll do.

I think there was a virus but from summer onwards, what I think of as “convergent opportunism” has taken over. No conspiracy, no plot, but nasty actors converging on a messy situation & grabbing money & influence, seeking to move things as they wish.

The nasty actors must be stopped. Or they’ll **** your kids lives up.’

 

Well, I think it's pure fucking bullshitt
More control.

 

I think that early on in the pandemic nobody (in government or the population) had a clue on how the virus would behave. Most if not all governments were adopting lock downs to control/slow the spread of the virus and that is what our government did; were they all wrong? And whilst Sweden's story is a very positive one, I'm not sure you can objectively compare the UK to Sweden and even if we had followed their model we would have got the same results.

My comment about letting the virus run wild was a little tongue in cheek, but it does concern me when we think we can let a large parts of our society to mix and continue without restrictions and continue to protect the most vunerable in society. I just don't understand how that protection can be achieved?

I have reached the point in this discussion where the stats and grahps and conflicting views of the various experts I have reached the point where I'm going to switch off from the debate.

I can only hope that those who are advisng the decisions makers get it right, if they don't we are all fecked.

 

Another point of view!!!!!

 

And a view on how our free unbiased media see things.