Corona Virus

Interestingly both Australia and New Zealand, neither of which can credibly be described as totalitarian, did something similar, locking their entire countries down. And in both cases their lockdowns have worked remarkably well.

I am somewhat incredulous when the likes of Yeadon claim that lockdowns are ineffective. Respiratory infections can only spread by the interaction of an infected and a non-infected person, and if these cease (e.g. because of a lockdown) then the virus will rapidly die out. It’s why Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan had next to no cases, and why there are Pacific island nations which have had literally zero cases.

The only reason lockdowns do not always suppress the virus in practice is because they are not adhered to 100%, whether consciously or because of inevitable loopholes in the rules (eg essential travel, schools open, businesses open).

 

Speaking of Alice ...

 

I drop off nurses at the major area hospita,l two or three mornings a week, and a couple of weeks ago as 5 or 6 of them were alighting I asked " Is the hospital very busy with Covid"
They all just smiled and said precisely nothing.
i infer from this they are under orders not to talk about covid.
The first rule of Covid...
The second rule of Covid...


Curiouser and curiouser

 

Season flu has been dropping for years. This is now this years covid.Happens every year.

 

A pangolin, then a pig, now a rabbit..

There is so much passion around this that it's not surprising. Just look in this forum.
In France we have something very transparent, that avoid these interpretations. We know by region day by day how many people left hospital, how many are in intensive care, how many died, etc etc, and at the beginning I several time made the match with local death announcement in the newspaper. Everything matched.
https://covid19.cartosport.com/

 

Yes and still more death.. then..

 

Your privilege.

 

Lockdowns in this area are being stricktly adhered to and have always been so, I will add that the essential workers I see out everyday and work alongside, have had no cases.
If lockdown works what went wrong in Spring? And please dont blame the proles because not only did they adhere I have heard of no cases among my regular customers.None.

 

I admire your examinations of the facts.
This is not a "conspiracy" This is far more human than that.
This is, fear of death, bad choices, poor planning, politics, And self service, ambition, and entitlement, ( you voted for me to be a leader and now I am rampant). Politically corrupted science, a desire to manage, and lead us out of the troubles, fear of causing death, stress ineptitude, etc.
Also a complete overreaction as far as Law making and suspending has gone, Which has the capacity for more disasters in the future.
I ask myself when is the last time we were lead by politicians and it didn't turn out badly, or, we were lied to, or it cost money. Especially in this country. You sir are French and have much tighter control of you politicians ( it seems to me) and so more blind faith invested.Possibly.

 

I do not say this isnt a deadly flu.It is.

 

The spectator,the telegraph,the express,and other publications that you probably don’t like and to use your quote,are full of “divisive guff”.
Ferguson’s history is all out there in the public domain,it doesn’t take much to find out about his failings,unless you have a closed mind and don’t want to.
You give me the impression,like Hubaxe,that for some reason,that mystifies me,you consider yourself superior and in full control of the facts,which ,as yet,remains unproven.
The only thing I’ve learnt from your posts ,oh hang on,sorry,I haven’t learnt anything from your posts apart from the blind faith in the scientists,your political misery and that you have been brainwashed.

 

All flu,to a point is deadly,the death rates for Covid aren’t significantly higher than “normal flu”.
There’s been a great deal of scaremongering and hysterical reporting coupled with the unsubstantiated reporting of Covid as the cause of death,when the circumstances regarding the cause have been questionable.

 

It’s pretty simple James. Basic science. If you are locked down and unable to expose yourself to the virus, it is impossible to catch it. QED a full lockdown will always work. As it has in NZ.

Why would anyone blame “proles” btw?

 

Where else are you getting this huge number of lockdown violators?

If I were kept in a padded cell, in a straight jacket, I would be safe from car accidents.

 

No hysteria here (I don’t have a uterus) but on Monday, our hospitals Trust has 197 Covid positive cases in the hospitals. Lost 3 patients to the virus over sat/sun. Staff sickness rates of 9.6% (4.3% Covid related)

edit- we’re not the biggest Trust, fairly rural

 

Thanks for the compliments. And after I’ve been so nice to you, too.

Oh well.

As for Ferguson, I haven’t read his reports and so I don’t know exactly what he did write. I do know however that in modelling it is normal to come up with a variety of scenarios based on different assumptions, which will show a range of possible outcomes. And I would expect him to have been asked to produce a model showing “a reasonable worst case” outcome showing what would happen IF everyone just carried on as normal with no changes in behaviour and IF there was no pre-existing immunity. That is not the same as a prediction (what you think will actually happen) it is what would happen IF these assumptions were valid.

The press and other media always want to shorten and sensationalise for their audiences, and may have presented their understandings of what Ferguson/Imperial actually said without, in many cases, even reading it.

Here is an alternative “fact check” of these hyperbolic attacks on Ferguson you might want to read and think about.

https://theferret.scot/fact-check-neil-ferguson-covid-19-predictions/

 

Yes you would, and it would be reasonable to assume so. Yet you don’t think so? Are you a straightjacket denier?

 

Interesting to know the stats for 17/18 Dec/Jan. Just for comparisons.