Thunderbird 900 1995 Won't Rev Up

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  1. frankcfc8

    frankcfc8 New Member

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    Hi all, picking brains time. I am restoring my much loved thunderbird 900 which i acquired this winter just gone. She was a non runner and the previous owner had let her sit for almost 10 yrs with 2/3rd's of the tank still full with fuel!! I have drained out & cleaned all the fuel system (including a mini carb strip down) the main jet was completely blocked! I must admit i did not go anywhere near the pilot jet, (removing it and cleaning it, bottled that!) However when i blew through it i could feel on the other end that it was not blocked. She now starts and idles well, however won't rev past 3,500rpm and a little coughy & spluttery under revs. I was thinking of balancing the carbs as i have borrowed a carb balancer. Do you think this is the correct move to go next? And if so what readings should i be looking for on my balancer? Any advice or knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all fellow triumpheteers.... Regards, Dan :D
     
  2. Sprinter

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    Sounds like one of the other jets?
     
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  3. dilligaf

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    Sounds like you’re gonna have to bite the bullet o_O and strip and clean the carbs properly mate :confused:
    It’s what I would do first otherwise you’ll never be able to balance them properly :(
     
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  4. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    My T100 had had an on and off life. It stumbled a bit. When I dropped a carb bowl I found I had fine‘red sand’ everywhere (tank corrosion). I bit on the bullet and bought a 3 litre ultrasonic cleaner for about £60. It will take a pair of stripped carbs and they came out gleaming with all orifices pristine :confused:
    I have used it for loads of detail cleaning jobs since - not least SWMBO’s jewellery (but NOT set with soft stones!! - don’t ask)
    I have thrown in rusty nuts and bolts with soapy water and saved labouring with a wire brush where it won’t properly fit anyway....
     
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  5. dilligaf

    dilligaf Guest

    Yep...sonic cleaners are excellent :)
    Got one at work so I get all my mates carbs to do :confused:
    Just did the carbs off a mates zephyr 1100 on Monday :p
     
  6. t552

    t552 Senior Member

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    #6 t552, Mar 15, 2018
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    The pilot jets are next to main jets not to be confused with pilot screws. These have 75% of all carb problems. Have you cleaned out the duck billed shape filters in the fuel pipes.
    Btw I make pencil coil kits that really help to engines
    Pm if interested.
     
  7. frankcfc8

    frankcfc8 New Member

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    I have checked every hole and jet possible, and even sprayed wd40 down one end and made sure it came out the other end (when the carbs were stripped on the bench) nothing appreared to be blocked anymore. I’m also wondering if I’m over looking things and maybe it just needs a darn good run...?
    Thank you to everyone for the replies so far
     
  8. Yorkshireman

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    If you’re happy that you’ve cleaned the carbs correctly I’d make sure the air filter is clean before trying to balance the carbs. A dirty filter will restrict air flow and could give the symptoms you describe. When balancing the carbs it won’t really matter what readings you get so long as they are the same.
     
  9. t552

    t552 Senior Member

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    Have you checked valve clearances? Inlets can go negative
     
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  10. stevethegoolie

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    Are the inlet rubbers starting to perish? Drawing air in, between the carbs and the cylinder head, will not be conducive to good running. With the engine running spray Easystart, or similar (I do believe WD40 has the same effect), over the inlet rubbers. If the revs rise then the spray is being sucked in via cracks in the rubber, or even the loose retaining clips.

    Just a thought.
     
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  11. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    In a similar vein how are the carb diaphragm rubbers?
     
  12. frankcfc8

    frankcfc8 New Member

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    Inlet rubbers look ok, I shall check by spraying whilst the bikes running. But as I said they visually look sound. The air filter is brand new. And the diaphragm rubbers inside all look good to. I did notice there was a slight groove mark about half way up, on 2 out of the 3 needles when I had it all stripped out on the bench. Don’t know how significant that could be!? Thanks again for all the suggestions fellow triumpheteers...much appreciated
     
  13. Callumity

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    I think I would be for polishing the carb bore and slides with Brasso to remove any oxidation of the alloy and minutely checking the rubbers for tears or splits as well as ensuring they are properly seated before bolting up.
    If the vacuum circuit is not working properly a fully open butterfly will not help the slide lift all the way. Likewise all the vacuum caps are intact.
     
  14. frankcfc8

    frankcfc8 New Member

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    Success at long last. I stripped down the carbs again, and gave the pilot jets a good clean out. 2 of rhe 3 were blocked solid. I don’t think I originally cleaned out the fuel bowls good enough. I’ve got them now clean and crap free, the bike idles lovely, and revs up. Thanks to everyone who chipped in with advice & help
     
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  15. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    Now it is running okay, give it a regular slug of fuel system cleaner to keep the carbs clean and shiny inside. I use Redex which works well on my Trident. Others herein have their own favourites. The only time I had a problem was when, one winter, I forgot/couldn't be bothered to dose it up before it was put into hibernation. A dollop of Redex soon had it purring again.
     
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  16. t552

    t552 Senior Member

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    Nothing new then. Same old culprits time after time.
    Glad it'srunning ok now
     
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