Preload 2016 Speed Triple R

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  1. bob1

    bob1 Noble Member

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    took my 2016 speed triple r out for its first proper ride today rear suspension way to hard when you start getting a bit of speed up unless the road is like a billiard table my ass is getting fired out of the seat all the time. got back home got the manual out thought Id try a few adjustments. the manual states the preload is not rider adjustable I'm going to adjust it anyway I just wondered why triumph would say this. the previous owner might have adjusted it but with out any reference in the manual I cant put it back to standard.
     
  2. youngy

    youngy Active Member

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    Triumph say that on all the 955 Daytonas and Speed Triples too. Daft.
     
  3. bob1

    bob1 Noble Member

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    thanks when you say damping do you mean rebound or compression or both sorry when it comes to suspension its all a bit of a dark art to me
     
  4. topbanana0

    topbanana0 Well-Known Member

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    I adjusted mine, think the warning is just arse covering by Triumph
     
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  5. Red Thunder

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    Dave Moss gives a brilliant class on setting suspension
     
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  6. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Pre load is how compressed the spring is

    Compression is how firm the suspension compresses when hitting a bump

    Rebound is how fast it returns to its unsprung position
     
  7. darkman

    darkman Crème de la Crème

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    I have softened the spring pre load bump and rebound on my 16 as at 12 n half stone i found it to hard, i also dropped the legs through the yokes.
     
  8. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    I am 16st (all muscle o_O) and in full leathers the suspension at the front is too soft - I have a zip tie on the front and it bottoms out each ride on the road with preload almost at maximum

    The front springs are 9 N/mm and using an online calculator for my weight and bike weight I should have 10 N/mm fitted

    http://sonicsprings.com/catalog/calculate_spring_rate.php

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    Weight with gear value = me plus leathers, helmet etc
    Bike weight is dry weight plus an estimate for oil, coolant, and fuel etc.- plus any baggage

    1 kg/mm = 10 N/mm
     
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  9. capt

    capt Elite Member

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    Red Thunder, you could add length to the spacers inside your fork tubes, I'd start by adding approximately 1/4 of the spring travel, would that be about 4 inches or 100 mm ? So about an inch or more , I added 35 mm to my standard springs on my initial setup adjustment on my America, but it didn't cure the damping issues. So I bought emulation system with 11 N/mm springs for my 95kg weight, plenty stiff enough now and I have lowered the front about 20/25 mm , sharper steering gained as well ! I tow a trailer which fully loaded weighs as much as 200 kg. So I need a good stiff front end for good control whilst braking ! I also put tapered roller head stem bearings in for same reason !!
    Hope that is of some help.

    Cheers capt.
     
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  10. Col_C

    Col_C I can't re...Member

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    I'm running the "comfort" damper settings, but I've also reduced tyre pressures to 32psi front / 36psi rear. Advice from other threads on here suggest "standard" tyre pressures are too high.
     
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  11. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Crème de la Crème

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    Having shed about a stone in weight recently I’ve put the damping back to factory settings after I’d increased all round by plus one turn and have just come back from 120 miles around Derbyshire’s finest twisties and I think it’s better than before.
    How do you find the bike with 36psi in the back tyre Col, i run with 38 in the back and 32 in the front?
    That’s on Roadtec 01’s.
     
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  12. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Checked my pressure today's and it was way up compared to a few weeks ago
    Front was 42 now 34 and return was 50 now 42. Maybe the hot weather had greatly increased it.
    Also increased preload in the front by one turn to reduce sag to 40mm, as it was still bottoming out each day (cable tie method)
    I may have to increase compression too but that would really form up the ride, I really need heavier springs in
     
  13. Blueskip

    Blueskip Member

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    Hi Red Thunder,

    I use the zip tie indicator as well. I had to soften my fork to get closer to the bottom. Now I have about 15mm of safety buffer that I never seemed to hit so far.
    For the fun, I build up a small suspension preload calculator for the speed triple see attached file.
    It isn't refined to the point to take your own weight in consideration, but if you have a buddy to help you with the tape measure, you can dial things in;

    Speed triple 2016+ R,S and RS calculator

    cheers,

    Rémi
     
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  14. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    That sir, is a fantastic suspension calculator.
    I will have to try this out with my bike...I am sure I need to increase my springs from the standard 9n/mm to 10n/mm
     
  15. Blueskip

    Blueskip Member

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    You're welcome!
     
  16. youngy

    youngy Active Member

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    Speed Triple R springs are 0.5 N/mm stiffer than on the standard Speed triple.
     
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