Do I Have A Problem Or Is This Normal ?

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  1. John Stocum

    John Stocum New Member

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    A little over a month ago I bought a 2017 Triumph Bonneville. It was from a Triumph dealership approx. 50 miles from my home. It had never been registered hence it sold with a New bike with the full factory warranty. When I purchased it, it seemed to me that there was a problem in the drive train. To me it seemed like there was excessive play in the chain drive to the wheel. It felt like if you has the throttle and released it that there was a, I don't know how to explain it but when you went from a coast to the throttle that the excess play inn the chain would jerk the bike when the slack was taken out of the drive chain. it would jerk pretty bad. Mind you this is my first bike so I'm not to familiar as to weather this is normal or not. Bare in mind that I have been an auto mechanic for 45 years. To me if I were to experience this on a car or a truck, I would be looking for a problem in the drive train. Ie. driveshaft, universal joints or differential issues. Not having been a former bike owner I only have my auto repair experience to suggest that there is a problem and doubt that this is a problem. Hence my being here asking if this is normal. Bear in mind I did adjust the slack in the drive chain. And for a short while the problem seemed much better. But 1000 miles later the problem has returned and worse than before. The chain drive has no excessive play in it so I know that is not the issue. I only ask because I know how dealerships work and in a lot of cases they will tell you Oh that's normal. But if this were a car of truck I would know better. If I put the bike in gear with the engine off and rock the bike back and forth it will move 2 to 3 inches back and forth until where ever that slop is coming from has been removed. Am I being overly cautious here or am I correct in assuming that there is a problem here. The problem seems far worse at very slow speeds such as when you are doing low speed maneuvers. U turns figure 8s ect. I just don't want to drive 100 miles round trip to the dealer , only to have them tel;l me Oh that is normal.
    Any input on this matter will be greatly appreciated.
    Thank You John Stocum 2017 Bonneville T100
     
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  2. Wire-Wheels

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    John: I doubt there is a problem there, but it is impossible to tell from where I sit. The only thing I would do if I thought there was a problem is put the bike up on the center stand and check for any slack in the rear hub assembly. Just make sure the rear sprocket will not turn while holding the wheel firmly. Other than that, have the dealer check it out. It is on warranty. ...J.D.
     
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  3. Callumity

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    #3 Callumity, Jul 19, 2020
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    A chain never has the immediacy of a shaft drive and we only have your description to go by. Let’s assume you are not exaggerating ‘normal’!

    There are basically 4 areas to eliminate. The first is any excessive lash in the gearbox/output shaft. The second is the security of the drive sprocket. Third is wear in the chain and sprockets and fourth is the cush drive and rear hub/sprocket carrier bearings. I would say 2” fore and aft movement of a non-running bike, in gear IS normal; less if the suspension is compressed and chain slack reduced.

    I think I would be insulting your expertise to advise further on how to check!
     
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  4. joe mc donald

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    Yes get it back to the dealer and tell don't ask.
    Regards
    Joe.
     
  5. brown mouse

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    #5 brown mouse, Jul 19, 2020
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    5th area: Rear wheel spindle nut is actually tightened to correct torque. A while ago I had excessive slack/jerkiness feeling, especially braking into a corner and accelerating out of it. Found that the wheel spindle nut was half the correct torque and doing it up properly fixed the problem. So presumably braking was dragging the wheel backwards on the swing arm and accelerating was pulling it back to the chain adjuster stop :eek:
     
  6. Wire-Wheels

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    #6 Wire-Wheels, Jul 19, 2020
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    Due to the fact that is IS on warranty, I would not dig too deep. You could be accused of CAUSING the problem. I would certainly give the dealer a chance to look it over and make it right, if need be. Old mechanic myself. So I have been on both sides of these kind of issues. ...J.D.
     
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  7. MartyWilson

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    Definitely worth having the dealer check over the machine but there is a certain amount of throttle 'delicacy' required with bikes. Too much throttle, too quickly and the power fed into the final drive will cause jerkiness (that's why there are big rubber cush(ions) between the sprocket hub and the rear wheel hub. I find this much more obvious in fuel injected bikes than in carburetted bikes. I suspect this might be the difference in the immediacy with which fuel is fed into the engine meaning much stronger throttle response which, unfortunately has the side effect of sort of off/on throttle when not handled gently.
     
  8. brown mouse

    brown mouse Elite Member

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    I totally agree. I put a lot of it down to the transition between engine braking on no throttle and applying minimal throttle. This was so jerky on my new Bonneville Speedmaster (same engine as T120) that I even tried fitting a Booster Plug (which helped a bit). But as the miles went on the severe engine braking I noticed on the new engine got significantly less, and I removed the Booster Plug long ago, as it didn't seem to have much effect any more and may have been contributing to some running problems I was having.
     
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