790 Bonneville Carb Problem

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  1. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Hi to all again further to my list of a few months ago regarding starting and running problems I have just removed the carbs and given everything a good cleaning, replaced them on the bike and have the same issue Bike starts missfiring on offside then it cuts in.

    Will warm up on choke and Rev ok but when choke pushed in it runs rough again.

    I have fitted Norman Hyde Togas and upped the main jet size but not touched the mixture screws since I changed the silencers and have found to be 2 turns out from fully closed. I am assuming that opening the screws up will richen the mixture to perhaps I need to open them up to 2.75 turns?
     
  2. Callumity

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    The ‘choke’ isn’t. It IS an enriching device so you are probably too lean. Your pilot jet screws, if standard, certainly want at least another half turn out and possibly 3/4 of a turn. Any more than 3 and you will need to up the pilot size.
    I think you have the Jenk’s Tuning Guide link?
     
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  3. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Hi Callumity thanks as ever for your post - I do have the Jenks tuning guide and just checked it - looks like the pilot jets should be 2 3/4 turns out so will try that and post again!
     
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  4. Jadorff

    Jadorff Noble Member

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    I agree its running to lean
     
  5. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Ok so I get home tonight and go straight into the workshop and open up the idle jets another 3/4 turn so now 2 and 3/4 turns out as per Jenks guide.

    Started her up and same old problem not firing on offside cylinder. After a bit of coaxing the offside cylinder starts firing so I leave the engine running but after a few moments the offside cylinder cuts out then backfiring starts cylinder cuts in and out and backfiring in between so it’s like the spark is coming and going on that side New plugs fitted so coil perhaps? Or plug leads breaking down? It’s odd as I tested the plugs and leads previously with a pair of those see through plug tester gadgets and the spark seemed good with no corresponding interruption of the spark during the misfire....
     
  6. Ducatitotriumph

    Ducatitotriumph Crème de la Crème

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    Try swapping them (parts) over to see if the fault moves to the other side?
    Might be cheaper than chucking parts at it!
     
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  7. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Good idea I will swap plug leads first but don’t think I can swap left to right on the coil as timing will be out?
     
  8. Ducatitotriumph

    Ducatitotriumph Crème de la Crème

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    If you physically swap them over, all will be ok.
    Or, swap the inputs to the coils and swap the plug leads over at the same time?
    It'll mean that you don’t actually have to move the coils (just move the input wires over and the plug leads at the same time!)
    If they’ll reach of course!
     
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  9. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Well chaps here's an update for you and a very strange thing indeed - I swapped over the two wires at the front of the coil and hey presto all is well.

    Now this is a total mystery as I really cannot recall swapping hem around previously for any reason at all especially as they are quite fiddly to get to!

    The red wire is now on the offside and the yellow one on the nearside.

    I am very pleased but totally mystified
     
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  10. Ducatitotriumph

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    It's a good result either way! enjoy!
     
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  11. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    The red low tension is the feed from the igniter, the yellow is the earth return. The coil fires both sides every rotation - you have a ‘lost’ spark on the top of the exhaust stroke while the other pot is compressing and firing. It makes marginal difference which way round the low tension circuit is wired but you may simply have polished up a bad connection.
     
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  12. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

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    Ok that makes sense - the connectors were quite loose and at some point someone had smeared grease on them ..
     
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