Legend TT Air Filter issues-Fluffy Throttle Response

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  1. tommyrugrat

    tommyrugrat New Member

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    Hi All

    I have got a 1999 Legend TT, which is a bit fluffy on the throttle, decided to remove tank etc for new plugs. Whilst digging around i thought i would take a look at the air filter....what a.... T#*T!

    Anyway, managed to remove the back cover revealing an extremely dirty, clogged, petrol soaked filter, it also looks as though the foam has broken down beyond repair. Now my first question is, can i just get a replacement filter and if so where from? I have only manged to source K and N replacement type filters, but would i need to re-jet carbs?

    Secondly, i have been told that if i want to replace the original filter i have to buy a complete air box which sounds ludicrous? This cant be right can it?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers.
     
  2. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse,he's out of bed again

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    #2 sprintdave, Aug 2, 2016
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    it is correct that you cant buy a filter,only the complete airbox from triumph and they cost £42 plus vat at Fowlers and £53 at W.O.T.
    I know lots of people use k and n on their trident/trophy/sprint etc ( same engine basically as yours),not sure about rejetting, wouldnt think it would make much difference tbh. If I were you i would buy a k and n and put it into the airbox, it has to be better than the one you had in already. If the box is made similar to the Sprint one the screws usually break the threaded inserts and you end up botching it back together in some way,be that glue or self tappers. My bike has a standard new airbox so i cannot say for def, maybe others in here will know better. The original airbox on my bike had what looked like a nest inside it,no wonder it used to run rough,too rich.
    I will also say I had a CB500 and changed to a k and n ,never needed to rejet that bike.
     
  3. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    Been running K&N filter in my Trident for years. No re-jetting needed on mine with either original or aftermarket silencers.
    Good idea to go down that route as removing the air filter is a right royal pain in the arse, as you have just found out! A K&N (or similar) is pretty much a 'fit and forget' option.:)
    Be careful with the plastic airbox as the plastic is brittle and easily damaged.:eek:
    At the last service, the mechanic (bless him) actually got the filter element out and cleaned it. I had wondered why he was sitting curled up in a corner of the workshop rocking gently back and forth while making low moaning noises when I went to collect the bike.o_O Seems he is okay now!:D
     
  4. steve lovatt

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    Oh no - not the airbox removal nightmare again!
    I've just broken out in a sweat and I've sold the Trident now!
     
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  5. tommyrugrat

    tommyrugrat New Member

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    Thanks for that fellas, i am going to order the K and N filter, as i hopefully never have to see the inside of that stupidly design air filter box again!

    Thanks again.

    Tommy.
     
  6. Havit

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    i changed my filter to a K&N on my 900 Thunderbird and didnt need jetting,Its Cheaper than the full box change. Also just to note i had to drill out the brass in plastic screws ( stupid design) as the thread part just spins in the plastic. I changed them to self tappers with no issues. You might me lucky and get your ones undone be they will give you trouble at some stage.
     
  7. tommyrugrat

    tommyrugrat New Member

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    Thanks Wayne, yes i have noticed the crappy brass inserts hanging out of the cracked plastic housing , I'm hoping Araldite may sort that little issue out.

    My only other query is this.... EVAP (Evaporative loos equipment).... i haven't got one... do i need one? what is it? and if i do need it, will it cost me a million pounds?

    The only thing that was present in that first auxiliary chamber was a white plastic loo roll size part with cut outs in, that was loosely covered in foam which had deteriorated to the point that i think it had shot through into the air filter box and fused itself to the air filter, hence causing much of the blockage.

    Sorry there are now two questions.... Do i need an EVAP system and do i need to replace that shonky foam on the loo roll?


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  8. tommyrugrat

    tommyrugrat New Member

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    Just thought....is it an American thing? Emissions etc.
     
  9. steve lovatt

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    It is - US bikes only :)
     
  10. Havit

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    #10 Havit, Aug 3, 2016
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    Thats Correct, no need for one.
    Mine has the loo roll and foam only, What the foam does ......I dont know .
     
  11. tommyrugrat

    tommyrugrat New Member

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    Hello Fellas

    Thanks for all the replies, you will be glad to know that the bike is back together, K and N filter in place, brass inserts glued into airbox, it has made a great difference to the hesitation on the throttle, i would say that it hasn't cleared the problem totally, but as the bike has done 92 miles in the last year i am hoping a few miles and a load of petrol through the carbs may help matters.

    My only other concern is....on de-acceleration the bike pops like mad as if running very lean, could this be down to the K and N filter or.... is it a triumph thing?

    The exhaust says Triumph 9601012, and not for road use, are these standard exhausts? they seem a tad on the loud side to be standard?

    Could that be the source of the popping? None standard exhausts?
     
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  12. stevethegoolie

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    I think you may have just answered your own question. 'Not for road use' = non standard i.e. loud - usually! Check that there are no leaks throughout the system as this could cause popping. Also check there are no leaks on the inlet rubbers while you are at it. Usual trick there is to have the engine ticking over and spray 'easy start' over each rubber individually (or as near as possible allowing for overspray). If the revs rise when you do it there is a leak on that rubber. If not then all is well. Apparently/allegedly WD40 also works for this test.
    As the bike hasn't been used much recently, stick some Redex or other similar carb/fuel system cleaner in the petrol to help clean out the gunge that is quite probably lurking in your carbs. Works well on my Trident which has been suffering from lack of use for the last few years due to my health issues, and previously when off the road over winter. Too old now for ice, freezing fog and 6" deep snow (me, not the bike!).:( Could also add horizontal rain on Rannoch Moor, but that was summer in Scotland!!:eek::D
     
  13. tommyrugrat

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    Thanks Steve, i think it may be down to the carbs, i will have a look at the plugs while im at it to see if it is running lean, then i may have to re-jet to compensate.
     
  14. stevethegoolie

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    Check as much as possible but only alter one setting at once so that you know what effect each alteration has.
    Sometimes a different grade of plug can make all the difference needed (colder plug if running weak, hotter plug if a bit rich - but this may well be cheating a bit!).
    I'm not too sure if this is the case but the middle carb may have slightly different (larger) jets compared to the two outer ones to compensate/allow for the middle cylinder running a bit hotter. With less restrictive exhausts and air filter fitted, bigger jets could be needed, although my Trident coped easily with both mods (though I have now gone back to standard exhausts - just for a change you understand. May yet change back again!).
     
  15. tommyrugrat

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    Hi Steve, Im running a tank full of Techron through there at the minute to shift any glazing or varnish in the carbs, but ultimately i reckon i will have to drop them just to see what is going on....hopefully the Techron will do its stuff.

    Thanks for the support.
     
  16. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    Fingers crossed then ....... :)
     
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    #17 Havit, Aug 17, 2016
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    You should hear mine!!! I have Screaming Eagles off a Harley (Spit) . They sound good but she Farts more the Dozers Dad on Beans.:oops:
     
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