2020 Rs Cam Chain Tensioner Question

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  1. Gitter

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    Jan 12, 2021
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    2020 speedy RS - 4000 miles on the clock
    Oil changed about 300 miles ago with motul 10/40 (same stuff I’ve used the entire time I’ve owned it) oil level is good.

    went for a ride yesterday, came home after doing about 30 miles and could hear a clattering noise coming from what sounds like the CCT area. I’ve done a bit of poking around and the responses seem to be

    Change to Castrol

    CCT is “stuck” between teeth and just ride it as is until it fixes its self

    “unstick” the CCT - curious how this is done if it’s based off oil pressure

    replace it with a new one

    4000 miles seems a bit early for the CCT to go out. So I suppose the question is where to start? Fresh oil? Attempt to unstick CCT? Just buy a new one once I find a part number?

    also looked on APE’s site and didn’t see any manual ones for the speed triple.
     
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  2. Eldon

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    I've found 675 and 765 can rattle their camchain if left for a while on their sidestand (opposite side to tensioner).

    Presumably the oil drains away and the chain initially rattles but it does go away after a minutes running.

    Does your continously make a noise or just the first minute after starting?

    Resetting the tensioner is easy but it needs removing and doing on the bench, then reinstalling.

    Motul is good stuff, and Castrol is not some wonder fluid, so I wouldn't worry about the oil until the miles are up.
     
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  3. Gitter

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    My initial thought was that the oil had just drained out of it, unfortunately it’s happening while the bike is running and up to temp. It lessens in neutral and gets louder when put in gear. Tapping also gets faster with rpm increase.

    I’m not opposed to resetting it on a bench if someone has a write up for it.
    Also curious if switching to 10-50 would help.
     
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  4. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    10/40 to 10/50 would be less pressure as it's less viscous.
    If you did change to Castrol then that would eliminate one option but I'd stick with 10/40.
     
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  5. Gitter

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    ah, good point. I'll stick with 10/40. I'm leaning away from it being an oil issue, I've used motul 10/40 in it since the first oil change and have had no issues. Curious why the cct would jump ship at 4k miles.

    Is there a proper way to lock the cams / chain in place so I can remove the cct? From what I've seen online its the "jam something between the case and the cam chain runner" and I'd like to avoid that if possible
     
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  6. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    Yes there is.
    I had to helicoil the casting as someone had stripped one of the x2 M6 bolts on a 675. Take off the rhs crank cover and cable tie a socket into the left hand corner.

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    Nothing "forced" anywhere as you just pick the socket diameter to snuggly fit before cct removal.

    You might need a new gasket.
     
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  7. TRIPLE X

    TRIPLE X Senior Member

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    Check out the posting 'Question About Oil Change'. It's an old posting started in August 2021 but recently resurrected with further information. Last month (February 2025) I added information on how to strip the hydraulic cam chain tensioner if you decide to do so.
     
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  8. Gitter

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    #8 Gitter, Mar 11, 2025
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2025
    Welp now I’m confused. went out and started it today, and there is zero noise from the cam chain or the tensioner. Let it get up to temp and still nothing. I was unaware self healing cam chain tensioners were a thing :joy:

    took it around the block and I can still faintly hear the cam chain but not like it was before. Thoughts?
     
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  9. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse, think it's time for his medications.
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    I would guess it woke up, lol.
     
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  10. Gitter

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    It’s still louder than I would like. Happened to swing by a triumph dealer yesterday and picked up gaskets for everything. I’ll try and pull it this weekend.

    As far as unsticking the the CCT, just disassemble and clean and reassemble?
     
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  11. joe mc donald

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    @Gitter If the bike has quietened again i would tend to leave it as is.
     
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  12. Gitter

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    its not fully quieted down. Its still loud enough that it concerns me
     
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  13. nickjaxe

    nickjaxe Active Member

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    I had trouble with the Cam Chain Tensioner on my 2020 T100.....tapping when cold for around 2 mins.....started at around 500 mls.

    Looked at all sorts to cure it.....did not want to dabble with the Tensioner as its not just a case of unscrewing and refitting.

    So be very careful

    On the Watercooled bonnie twins you need to lock up both the crank and the camshaft.

    reason for that is that once the tension goes off the cam chain it can jump teeth....caused by any valves that are open or part open.....there spring trying to close the.

    So its quite involved....if its the same set up....I suspect it will be.

    In the end I decided to look at the cam chain tensioner and made the tools req to lock the crank and cam.

    I bought a new tensioner before I started the job....on getting the old one out and comparing to the new all looked fine....mainspring same length.

    The only thing you cant check is the fixed in oil pressure relief valve.

    Resetting the CCT is tricky...the manual and youtube vids are very unclear and in fact poor.....made a vid on how to do it...see link.

    To be honest resetting your CCT wont help.....it will just go back to where it was.

    So did it cure my tapping....yes and no.....its way better.....but on cold start I can still hear it a bit....but much reduced.

    Not sure why the new part sorted it....either the oil pressure relief valve was faulty....or the tolerance on the ratchet slots may vary....so if the spring and oil pressure can make the piston go to the next adjustment slot...it taps,.

    Will never know for sure.

    But take care.....its a tricky job that sounds simple.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GVfwwcrynj4
     
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