Corona Virus

One single link and both of Cal's allegations go back to where they come from (I can't say where it is or Tom Gilam will say I'm not polite)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13700219/neil-ferguson-covid-hospitalisations-go-up-lockdown/

 

Today’s Daily Mail recycling the Sunday Times:

'Professor Lockdown' Neil Ferguson told the Sunday Times: 'I think we will see growth rates slow... We may see a decline, and that may be slightly aided by the fact that there is quite a lot of herd immunity in places like London.”

Clear enough? He previously stated it would all be vaccine dependant. No, YOU look it up!

 

Likewise today. ZOE App data

 

You're quoting from the Daily Mail. Yes, crystal.

 

And all you posted don't support your theory at all..
ZOE data only concern ZOE users, happy the lockdown effect starts to work, but it's only a small representation.
Facts...

 

Why don't you copy the real source? Because it doesn't say the same as you maybe..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-says-herd-immunity-achieved-UK-end-year.html

 

Of course. How silly of me ....

there is quite a lot of herd immunity = we may now have herd immunity even before immunisation is complete

My bad!

 

Very funny. For my personal culture, can the Daily Mail be presented as a right wing newspaper, or is it just all bulls..t just to sell it?
In France we don't have any equivalent I guess.
I even like to read "Le Figaro" our right wing paper.

 

It’s a right wing paper for those who can’t concentrate for long.

Cal reads it

 

Well you got the first bit right which is why I gave you the Janet & John version.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/neil-ferguson-puts-his-faith-in-the-herd-dnvqjgg70

 

Yes, about the same time he told me there was no indication that Trump's MAGA base was dangerous.

 

You will need chapter and verse on that one....

 

If only it was nitrous oxide, I used to know a few dealers...

https://www.asph.nhs.uk/latest-news/2610-covid-busting-nasal-spray-begins-uk-trials

 

News from the Netherlands. Our lockdown has been extended to February 9th and they’re talking of a curfew. Anyway you can read the full article below. (Taken from Dutch news.NL)

As widely predicted, the Dutch government is extending the lockdown until February 9, and is also considering the introduction of a curfew. ‘Everyone will understand we have no other choice,’ prime minister Mark Rutte told a press conference on Tuesday evening. ‘The figures are not going down sufficiently and now we have to deal with the British variant of the virus. What we see coming out of Britain and Ireland is heartbreaking and alarming.’ In addition to extending the lockdown, ministers are looking at what else can be done to further reduce the infection rate, Rutte said. One option is to bring in a curfew, and the Outbreak Management Team – the cabinet’s main coronavirus advisory group – has been asked to report back on that specific option. ‘We do think it could be an effective measure to limit infections via the home,’ Rutte said. Schools and daycare centres will remain closed and secondary school pupils who can attend lessons will now have to keep 1.5 metres from each other, where possible, Rutte said. The government is also looking into the option of opening primary schools and daycare centres on January 25, but that decision will not be taken until next week at the earliest, Rutte said.

British variant
There are now 100 cases of the British variant of the virus known in the Netherlands, health minister Hugo de Jonge told reporters. ‘We have to make sure that this figure stays as low as possible,’ he said. To this end, several places where the infection rate is extremely high, including the Charlois district of Rotterdam, Dronten and Bunschoten, near Amersfoort, will also appeal to all residents to undergo a test, De Jonge said. Lansingerland in Zuid-Holland said on Monday it plans to test around 60,000 people for coronavirus following an outbreak of the British strain of the disease at a primary school last month. De Jonge urged everyone who has symptoms to have a test, as well as people who are contacted as part of the contact tracing programme. ‘There are 376 locations now where people can take a test,’ De Jonge said. ‘There is capacity to carry out 100,000 tests a day, and only 50% is being used.’

Vaccinations
De Jonge, who has been heavily criticised for the slow start to the Dutch vaccination programme, also said some 35,000 nursing staff have already been vaccinated, and 200,000 appointments have been made. By the summer, everyone over the age of 60 should have been vaccinated, De Jonge said. By the autumn, the entire population should have had the jab.

Travel
Rutte also criticised the number of people going on foreign trips and said that people should stay in the Netherlands until April, unless they have a serious work or family reason to travel. Describing holidaymakers as ‘very anti-social’, Rutte said: ‘every foreign trip is a risk for yourselves and everyone around you,’ Rutte said. Rutte also said there are no indications as yet that the general election, planned for March 17, would not go ahead.

Backing
Research published earlier on Tuesday by broadcaster NOS shows that almost four in five people consider the decision to extend the lockdown to be acceptable, and that 72% of people support the government’s strategy for dealing with the virus. The survey also showed the willingness to be vaccinated has gone up again to 82%. In total, 63% say they will certainly be vaccinated, up from 43% two months ago. People have most confidence in Diederik Gommers, acute care chief and a member of the Outbreak Management Team. Second on the list is hospital chief Ernst Kuipers and third the regional health boards. Both Gommers and Kuipers have criticised government policy and called for tougher measures.

Read more at DutchNews.nl:

 

Pointed to in another thread is the ONS data for deaths. This is done on a week by week report, but tends to show a lag due to time difference between death and being reported.
If you look at the black dotted line, this shows the 5year average and you can also clearly see the spike from last year. If you look at the right hand side of the chart, the trend at this time of year is to dip (and this is highlighted in the accompanying narrative as due to increased reporting delays following the bank holidays) If you look to the left side of the chart and use the 5 year average, this shows the next few weeks of the average death rate calculated as for last year. The black dotted line jumps up from about 8000 deaths to about 12000, then 14000 the following week. That is the usual trend for this time of year. The importance of this is that the current death rate appears roughly 20% higher at the moment from the 5 year average but the next few weeks will show if the increased death rate has stayed high.
This is one website that the interested should visit.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...es/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights



https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1130/fig3/

 

No rocket science, all this is very logical indeed.

 

Cal says that Sweden is doing well in handling COVID. This seems to suggest otherwise:

https://boogheta.github.io/coronavi...Kingdom&align=United Kingdom&alignTo=deceased

 

Some better news over here



Not sure that the Dec lockdown is the reason why though