In all seriousness. Covid is a risk. But, we have to believe in those who know more than us, and yes I do take the piss but. . . . . . If its good enough for Mick. . .. . .
So you’re happy with the long term data from this vaccine to recommend it to everyone here? Like I said previously, I’m no anti-vaccer, we could be doing so much better against measles if the vaccine had been taken up by everyone. But we’re just saying happy birthday to a virus that’s approximately a year old and somehow, we have developed and rigorously tested a vaccine enough to give to the public? Please excuse me if I don’t want to be first in that queue.
As has been posted previously in this thread, the Covid "family" are not new viruses. Covid 19 is just a new strain, admittedly more contagious it seems and with differing symptoms and degrees of severity and outcomes. The vaccine development/production process is no different to other viruses. In these days of litigation and blame/compensation the release of a vaccine or treatment that has the potential to kill or permanently disable people leaves those responsible open to litigation and expensive lawsuits and this must be a factor in the timescale of new vaccine development and release IMO. Given the spread of the virus, the seriousness of it for many people and the obvious damage it's doing to economies round the world, time is one thing we don't have.
The OP question was “Assuming that a Corvid(sic) vaccine had been released for general use from tomorrow, would you have the vaccine if offered to you?” I will be one of the first in the queue too, and my answer is still no, for the reasons highlighted... and trust me, it is very difficult in my job to say no to the “bosses”. We dream of a similar result as smallpox, but our present (2020) flu vaccine has reported 50% effectiveness due mainly to flu’s ability to change. Corona viruses related to the covid19 strain have been kicking about for years (sars , mers etc) so this virus and the disease sequela has a significant probability of changing... and I don’t want poking with a vaccine that looks promising, but hasn’t got any long data on it. Edit - and if you were to ask me if I would recommend it to you, I would say “The NHS recommends taking a vaccine to protect yourself, your family and the people of this nation, you would have to consider the reasons why you wouldn’t want to... but don’t take those reasons from unreliable sources such as social media... take your information direct from scientific sources, otherwise don’t disregard the advice of the NHS!”
Why would a take a vaccine that is 90% effective for a virus that has a 98% + survival rate over all age groups? Links to references provided. Pfizer Says COVID Vaccine 90% Effective Here are the survival estimates, stated as the percentage of all those infected (symptomatic and asymptomatic). 0-19 Years 99.997% 20-49 Years 99.98% 50-69 Years 99.5% 70+ 94.6% *80+ not included Ref: CDC
I am willing to bet virtually none of you followed the link I posted yesterday. It takes you to an article by the former head of Pfizer respiratory research. He definitely counts as ‘someone who knows more than us’. Goats will read it, sheep won’t.
Here’s two clues, The PCR test is wildly inaccurate and massively overstates active disease in the population. These people possibly died WITH Covid but the utterly improbable collapse in mortality rates of conditions like kidney disease, diabetes, COPD etc., suggests a major issue with the accuracy of ‘Covid’ death certificates.
Clue 3 620,000 people die in the UK every year. The only blip this year was in Mar/Apr but we are still merely the 8th highest year for deaths in the last 27, population adjusted. Context is everything.
be down for this within the hour when offered... anyone not having the vaccine needs to have to continue in lockdown - not have access to public places until this bastard pandemic burns itself out... I've lost people I know to it and am fed up to my back teeth with deniers and conspiracy theorists speaking complete Bollocks....
I think he may have a very valid point: "An awful realisation I have is that these excess deaths are just the sort you would expect if you take a mixed population, deprive them of easy access to the healthcare system for seven months and keep them stressed."
