Pipe Blueing

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  1. Malcolm Woods

    Malcolm Woods Noble Member

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    It seems that our Bonneville pipe do blue, its something that I don't particularly like, but that's the way it is, we have to live with it, or do we.
    A friend has a Kawasaki W650 2002, Bonneville look alike and has no bluing at all, looks perfect, chrome pipes same as our triumphs.
    Anyone have any ideas on this I would love to know.
    thanks All
    mallywoods.
     
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  2. Bonnie1980

    Bonnie1980 Bonneville T120 Black

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    The bluing happens due to excessive heat from the exhaust gases. You don’t have to live with it. Try Autosol Bluing Remover or any good liquid polish to remove the bluing.
     
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  3. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    Some factory pipes are twin wall construction to minimize discolouration.
     
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  4. joe mc donald

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    Eldon has it in one. The w650 is double skinned like the later Bonnies. You can get stainless pipes I think from toga or Norman Hyde easier to clean.
    Regards
    Joe.
     
  5. bob1

    bob1 Noble Member

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    I quite like the bluing I wish the pipes on my speed twin would turn blue.:)
     
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  6. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Unheard of Member

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    I don’t mind blueing although if they were stainless then still no better as they usually turn brown and lose the silver finish immediately from the word go in my experience.
     
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  7. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    You could do it with a blowtorch ;)

    The tempering colour would be around 260C if memory serves me right. A light cooking at the head end would make it straw/yellow. Go steady then and creep the colours along the pipe to where you want them to end :p
     
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  8. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    You could try disabling the sai unit depending on which bonnie you have
     
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  9. Dartplayer

    Dartplayer Crème de la Crème

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    Most of the 2016+ Bonnie’s have twin skins that stay shiny. I whipped them straight off for straight through to lose the cat and just polish them once a month.
    Blue Job works ok and should be used when they are new.
     
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  10. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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    I like the blueing - gives the bike character :cool:
     
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  11. bob1

    bob1 Noble Member

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    I thought because they we're stainless they won't go blue
     
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  12. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Crispey nailed it.

    The bluing is a direct result of emissions legislation and air injection into the exhaust which turns the first 12” into something of a blow torch. Cleaner exhaust but blue chrome.....just like leaving the racks in your oven if it has a pyrolytic cleaning function.
     
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  13. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    Have a read on "tempering colours of steels" or something similar.
    When stainless is welded the colours appear due to oxidation of the metals surface. It is this oxide layer that protects stainless from further degradation and due to the chromium content prevents/reduces rusting depending on the grade and operating conditions .
     
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  14. Malcolm Woods

    Malcolm Woods Noble Member

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    well thanks for all your replies much appreciated, really there doesn't seem much I can do, would really like to remove a lot of the emission rubbish and let the engine breath, but maybe that could open up a can of worms in the future making insurance and MOT problems
     
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  15. Malcolm Woods

    Malcolm Woods Noble Member

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    Thanks for all replies, as a new Triumph Bonneville owner, well new to me, and I love it, I have decided I like chrome pipes without blueing, is it possible to buy new header pipes, maybe double skinned, where would I get them, and are they difficult to fit for my 2015 bike.????
     
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  16. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Malcolm, if yours is a 2015 bike then I think it's the older 865 cc version which means things can be done.

    Confirm please before I continue.......
     
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  17. Malcolm Woods

    Malcolm Woods Noble Member

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    yes 2015 air cooled 865cc
     
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  18. Malcolm Woods

    Malcolm Woods Noble Member

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    maybe, but they would be simple replacements and end up back to square one, with the same blueing, I think I need double skinned pipes to stay lovely chrome forever.
    many thanks for the reply
    mallywoods.
     
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  19. beerkat

    beerkat Senior Member

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    My Street Twin headers have 'bronzed' rather than 'blued'. I quite like it.
     
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  20. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Mally, OK, first of all a little explanation: the sai system (secondary air injection) is part of the emissions control devices; it permits, under specific conditions, fresh air to enter the cylinder head, after the exhaust valve and into the exhaust gasses stream. This fresh air obviously includes oxygen which when mixed with hot exhaust gas (with 90% burnt fuel) ignites any remaining unburnt fuel, which is noticeable as popping on over-run.

    This additional combustion creates flashes of heat, particularly on tick-over/over-run or very little throttle opening. As a result the header pipes are super heated and create the blueing. This can be cleaned but will return unless the SAI system is circumvented, which can be done in one of 2 ways :

    1. There is an SAI pipe which come out of the air box on the lhs of the bike; remove the pipe from the air box and using an item of suitable size - ball bearing/marble/what have you - insert into the pipe so the item blocks the pipe. Now reinstall the pipe back into the air box;

    2. Remove the SAI completely. This is straightforward to do but requires further explanation.

    Try method 1. and if you like the results, go onto method 2.

    Cheers
    Dave
     
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