Strange happening

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by Bob On, Apr 25, 2015.

  1. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    I'm sitting stranded at the side of a gravel road in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan. I was riding along quite nicely on my 2014 800xc with 1600km on the clock. I thought I had a soft tyre so stopped to check. I left the bike ticking over while I did so. When I hopped back on and set off, she went two meters and stalled. I restarted her but the same occurred and continues to do so. No warning lights on, plenty fuel, oil normal and revs and sounds nice but when I set off, after about that 2 or 3 meter mark she stalls. Anyone got any ideas as it'll soon be dark and I'm not comfy in the dark miles from bloody nowhere???
     
  2. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse,he's out of bed again

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    I dont know about the newer Triumphs but is there a reserve or prime position on the fuel tap. may be worth a try ,see if it runs on prime
     
  3. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I can help I'm afraid Bob but it could be a fuel problem as Dave has alluded to. Another thing occurs to me is to try switching the engine kill switch on and off a few times.

    Best of luck and I hope you get it resolved.
     
  4. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Thanks lads. Tried both of the above but no change. Called Jack Lilley from whence I bought her and awaiting a return call. In the meantime the cavalry arrived in the shape of a small truck so on the way to the nearest town and hoping for a auto spark
     
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  5. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    Good to hear that Bob. Good luck and I hope you get home OK.

    Cheers

    Dick
     
  6. Bob On

    Bob On Member

    Jul 28, 2014
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    Thanks Dick. Made it back to the digs and will try to find an auto spark tomorrow. Now nothing happens when I press the starter. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the clutch starter sensor. Before, when she started and when I moved, it seemed that when the clutch was fully released she stalled and now when I pull in the clutch to start her nothing happens at all. Very disheartening and troubling being in such a remote area with no bike repair shops. Nevertheless I'm sure I'll get her fixed.
     
  7. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the update Bob and I'm pleased that at least you're not stuck in the mountains!

    I didn't even know there was a clutch starter sensor (although I guess I should have realised as you can't start the bike without pulling the clutch in!). Sounds like a possibility though.

    Did Lilleys ever get back to you?
     
  8. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Hi Dick. As yet Lilley's a no show but I guess they might get back to me on Monday. I'm not sure they'll be able to suggest anything though. I'm trying to organise getting the bike to Bishkek and an auto electrician there. All sorts of things going through my head right now from starter relay to side stand sensor. Anyway, all that can be done is to knuckle down and get on with it and I'm sure it will get solved.
     
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  9. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Bob, here's a few thoughts you might care to consider:

    1. Battery condition - In view of your bike being ultra electronic the first port of call is always the condition of the battery and charging circuit. This is because in modern bikes they have a parameter built into the ECU operation such that if the standing battery voltage is less than - on the Bonny EFi - 12.6 volts, the ECU tells the starter to not even try.

    The battery voltage with the engine off should be above 12.7volts and with the engine running (but no accessories connected) over 13.5 volts.

    Also check the battery cable connections, it's not unknown for them to undo of their own accord :eek::eek:

    2. Switches - test the condition and operation of : Clutch lever switch; side stand switch; kill switch;

    3. Sensors - if the crank sensor isn't working correctly, the engine will not operate. The other sensors 'modify' the engine operation - MAP, Oil temp, air temp etc but the crank sensor is the only one that will stop the engine.

    4. Fuel delivery - being fuel injected the fuel is pumped from the tank to the injector rail.If anything is blocking or reducing the pressure,the injectors won't work properly/at all.

    The problems you are experiencing are almost certainly caused by something daft, so you'll just need to go through stuff step by step.

    The very best of luck to you,

    Cheers
    Dave
     
  10. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Many thanks Dave. I'm a bit of a muppet at all things electrical so I'm going to try and get her to an auto spark but will for sure pass on what you've said in the hope of getting to the bottom of it... Cheers...
     
  11. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    The very best of luck to you Bob. I like doing trips myself, but the idea of breaking-down where you did must be very 'character-building' ;);):oops::oops:o_Oo_O:eek:
     
  12. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    LoL. Yes it's not easy. I had an old Africa Twin before the Triumph and she was continually breaking down. She also had electrical issues and one time she sat down on me in the middle of nowhere and I had to hitch a ride with the bike in the back of a small truck accompanied by a cow. Don't know who was the most pissed off, me or the cow. :) All part of the fun I suppose. I plan to ride the Pamir Highway at the end of next month with a mate so hoping I get to the bottom of this issue in time. I managed to get in contact with a Swiss guy who works in Bishkek and has a tiger 800xc too and who has done a lot of mileage both here and in Africa. He knows his way around the tiger and does all repairs himself and he says he'll help to diagnose the problem so there's always a way. :)
     
  13. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Good luck Bob, hope it gets sorted
     
  14. jon675

    jon675 Member

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    Air filter or inlet aint blocked and full of crap ? Contaminated fuel or dodgy side stand switch

    Edit or a posted above duff battery ....
     
  15. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Thanks gents for your comments. I'll let you know how things turn out. Hopefully I'll get to the bottom of it this week...
     
  16. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for keeping us updated Bob. Good luck.
     
  17. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Good morning folks. I have mixed news. The good news is that the problem has been solved. As you may or may not know, behind the pillion seat and under the carrier plate, there is a sensor which, if you drop the bike, automatically cuts off the engine. It is mounted on a rubber anti vibration mount. Well this had come free of its mount and was lying on its side. As I said before the road I was on was extremely rough and bumpy so it must have had a severe shaking for it to have come free. I re-installed it and she started first kick. To prevent this happening again I secured it with a cable tie but not so tight that the anti vibration mount won't be effective. The not so good news is that the Engine Management System warning light is permanently on. Not too sure what to do about that. Oil and coolant levels good and doesn't overheat so it's yet another mystery. If anyone has a suggestion on what the problem may be or how to reset it, I'd be glad to hear about it.

    I can't claim the glory here as it was my "new best mate" from Switzerland whom I mentioned earlier who gave me the heads up on the cut out sensor but I'm very happy to pass it on to other mystified 800xc riders.
    Once again lads and lassies, thanks for your suggestions and support throughout a period of sleepless nights. o_O
     
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  18. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Hi Bob, If you do the 3 cold start to warm cycle that should clear the light unless there is something else wrong. So either go for three rides and let the engine cool down in between or just start her up 3 times from cold letting her warm up to full running temp each time. Or download tune ecu and get appropriate cable then check and cure/clear faults .
     
  19. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    #19 thebiglad, Apr 29, 2015
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    That is excellent news Bob - very pleased for you.

    As Crispey just said, unless there are any other faults (which I doubt) 3 cold to hot cycles and the engine light should go out.

    Keep on truckin'

    Dave
     
  20. Bob On

    Bob On Member

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    Thanks Crispey. I'll get onto it. I'm waiting for a cable and programme to come from the UK but will try the cold/warm cycle method first. I read comments from a Daytona owner did this but wasn't sure if it would be the same for the Tiger. Cheers...
     
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