Tinnitus

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  1. David Cooper

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    Do you have the same high pitch in both ears, or are they different frequencies in each ear?
     
  2. Yorkshireman

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    Same in both, so high it’s almost off the scale. I’ve seen reports of people getting rid of it with an electric toothbrush :eek: The theory being that it was caused by an imbalance of fluids in the tubes leading to the ears and regular and prolonged vibration caused by the toothbrush on the very back teeth in particular resulted in the fluid being released (yuk) and the tinnitus going away. I’ve got the shiniest back teeth in existence, and fuckin tinnitus that won’t go away :worried:
     
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  3. David Cooper

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    My Doctor just passed me onto the Audiology department at my local hospital, as soon as they diagnosed Tinnitus, it was more or less sorry and goodbye from them.
     
  4. David Cooper

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    I was told by the Audiology Consultant at Sunderland Royal Hospital, that it was caused by a hair inside the ear that is damaged and vibrating causing the ringing noise.
     
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  5. Oldyam

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    Exactly the same response I have had from hospitals & Audiologists, however both lots wanted to reccommend hearing aids to the tune of about 4 - 6 grand :(:(:(
     
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  6. David Cooper

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    Total rip off mate, the only guarantee is, it will stop the same day as your heart , And I hope that's a long time away.
     
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  7. Oldyam

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    I'm hoping for another 60+ :D:D:D:cool:
     
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  8. Eastbournemark

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    Sorry to hear this. CBT is part of the NICE primary care guidelines for the management of tinnitus.

    https://cks.nice.org.uk/tinnitus#!scenario

    Scroll down the above link to primary care.

    If you haven’t already done so it still might be a worth a chat about CBT with your GP. That said the quality of decision making / knowledge from some doctors does vary a lot.

    Hope it settles a bit over Xmas for you.

    All the best. Mark
     
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  9. David Cooper

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    I can't find any link to primary care on that site, Mark.
     
  10. Eastbournemark

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    Hi David
    It definitely there. Keep scrolling down, on the third page under heading ‘Primary Care Management’ then a little further there is a section detailing the evidence base for its use.

    If still having problems finding it reply to me individually and I’ll see if I can find another format to send you the link.

    Regards Mark
     
  11. David Cooper

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    Still can't find it on that link Mark,
     
  12. Helmut Visor

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    It's definitely there David, will try and screenshot it if that helps.
     
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  14. David Cooper

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    David, Let us know how you get on. Thanks Helmut for the screen shot. Mark
     
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  16. Biker Jock

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    #32 Biker Jock, Dec 24, 2018
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    I've had tinnitus for many years, probably as a result of too many rock concerts (especially the Who). I'm not sure on a scale of 1 to 10 if it is compared to others, probably 5, but I don't notice it unless it's quiet, or I think about it or read a thread about it, then it's there hissing and fizzing away. Sometimes it's much worse if I have a cold, then there is popping and crackling on top of the hissing and fizzing. Most people's brains filter it out after a time, as does mine most of the time. But I don't know if that happens when it is worse than mine.

    I did temporarily lose my hearing 2 years ago (wax build-up - it's your age, sir), so I had subtitles running on the tele. One news item, where the text is live translation, was about the problems on Southern rail when there was the threat of removing the guards. A news reporter was asking travelers on the morning train, "how would you feel if told you there was no guard on this train?"

    The subtitles said, "how would you feel if I told you there was no God on this train?". A much more philosophical question to ask, I thought. :)
     
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  17. Bonne Phil

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    Normal conversation is about 60 dB, a lawn mower is about 90 dB, and a loud rock concert is about 120 dB. In general, sounds above 85 are harmful, depending on how long and how often you are exposed to them and whether you wear hearing protection, such as earplugs or earmuffs. A motorcycle + surface noise + wind noise generates about 93dB. Ride a bike on a motorway for more than a couple of hours without ear protection and you will suffer long term hearing damage. I believe the H&S executive recommends workplace hearing protection for anything above 83dBs.

    I am 65 years old and have been diagnosed as profoundly deaf for the last thirty year, I was diagnosed with tinnitus at the same time. Not all due to motorcycling, as a teenager I use to attend rock concerts on a regular basis, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who damaged my ears in small pubs is not good.

    I have to say I don't notice the tinnitus when riding, as the background noise cancels it out but it is very obvious when I'm trying to get to sleep. I honestly don't know what the answer is to your very good question. I thought that once you suffer from tinnitus you have it for life. My only recommendation is for "young" or new riders to wear good quality ear protectors. My wife uses personalised ear moulds which she swears by. Me. It's too late. though I do turn my hearing aids down to the minimum which offers some protection.

    If you have an MP3 player or one in your satnav with helmet speakers you could try playing music which will probably disguise the Tinnitus noise. but don;'t play it too loud as it could impede your safety.

    Good luck.

    Bonnie Phil
     
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  18. Howie B

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    I have3 had it for 23 years now and it moved on to Hyperacusis which means everything can sound very loud to me.For about 10 years I was unable to go to a restaurant pub or the cinema. Dealing with the ringing I recommend no tea or coffee very light alcohol and get plenty of sleep as it is worse if you are tired or under the weather in any way.
     
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  19. David Cooper

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    I was told that I had Hyperacuism about 10 years ago, I can hear very high pitch sounds, a bit like a a dog really, the problem is, I can't tell which direction they're coming from, when I hear emergency vehicle sirens I usually ask people where it's coming from but they can't hear it till it get's nearer.
     
  20. sprintdave

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    Why cant you get hearing aids on the nhs? I have had my pair for about 10 years now, had them updated twice in that time too.I originally got a referral from my doctor to the hearing clinic at the local hospital but I believe specsavers do nhs aids now as well.

    Like David Cooper I have to ask where police etc sirens sounds are coming from, if I am on my own I have to scan every direction as I have no directional sense of sound, when I worked as a printer I had to ask my number 2 operator where any strange sounds were coming from on the presses, worn bearings etc., he used to find em, I had to fix em.
     
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  21. David Cooper

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    #35 David Cooper, Dec 24, 2018
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    I'm pretty disgusted that the NHS only give you the outdated hearing aids, and expect you to pay over a thousand pounds for the latest versions, whilst giving billions away in overseas aid to some dictator so he can buy himself the best of luxuries.
     
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  22. David Cooper

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    I hope that the people reading this thread don't think that tinnitus is solely related to deafness. my hearing is perfect but I have a ringing noise in the background due to damage caused by working in noisy environments, so please, you young people, who listen to the music from I pods and the like, just keep it to a lower level or regret it for a lifetime.
     
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  23. Oldyam

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    What ? Eh ?

    On a more serious note DD it could also be more to do with the anount and type of hearing loss as none of the more discrete in the ear types are any good for me due to the anount and type of hearing loss I have.

    I can get up to €1000 grant towards the pair of aids but at the money they want for the latest one I'll have to wait @ €2500 each.
    I could go through the HSE here but if I'm having new ones I'd like them before I get fitted for the box ........ :p:p
     
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  24. cliverdee

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    I’ve had tinnitus for a number of years mostly I think from being a drummer in a loud band but noticeably worse after riding a Tiger 800 with its useless adjustable screen blasting wind straight at my head. I didn’t have a very good helmet and no ear plugs and I’m sure that made it worse. I had a hearing test and that isn’t affected but was told they couldn’t fix the tinnitus and try to ignore it. I am lucky enough to be able to zone the whistling out most of the time unless I think about it such as now in replying to your post... but I’ve found it is actually possible not to be bothered by it and largely ignore it.. didn’t try any ‘treatments’... I got proper moulded earplugs, a good helmet and an excellent Madstad screen for the Tiger to try and prevent further damage. Hope you manage to cope with the prob and find a way to zone it out like me.
     
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  25. WOODYDEL

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    I have had tinnitus since 1969 while in the Marine Corps. One day, while firing rockets, my hearing disappeared. For three days I was totally deaf. No, we never were given ear protection.

    I thought I would be discharged but my hearing suddenly returned on its own.

    A year or so later, I decided to join our local police force back home and there I found out at the final physical test that my hearing loss would prevent me from joining. Thinking something amiss I jumped up from the hearing test pissed off at what I thought were some dirty dealings and while surrounded by police officers I shouted there had to be something wrong with their test since the Marine Corps knew I could be sent to westpac (Vietnam) whenever they chose to do so. They were sympathetic and convince me I truly could not hear properly.

    Upon returning to base, I was tested and I indeed had severe loss of high frequencies. I never even told anyone about the loud ringing I heard every minute of every day.. My physical records when I joined the Marine Corps showed absolutely perfect hearing..It was then determined my loss was service connected which I with proper paperwork.

    Navy corpmen gave me advice. Don't buy any expensive stereos.

    I am paid a pension for my loss. The VA supplied some very expensive hearing aids and FREE batteries for life from Kansas.

    The tinnitus is extreme. It is about a loud as the TV when someone else is in control of the volume. It interferes with my understanding of words. By now a normal person might have gone crazy with the constant ringing.Many medications amplify the sounds to really high levels. If I would allow myself, I would crave SILENCE.

    The VA made an effort at one point to analyze the sounds I hear using computer systems. I had asked for a masking device. Something that would create a sound to cancel out the sounds I hear. That was maybe 20 years ago.. When the new devices arrived and were inserted into my ears I immediately heard NEW very loud sounds similar to the ocean. I told the tech that something was making static sounds and he said "Yes, that's how they work". This guy was nuts. Imagine my disgust with the situation. They did not work at all.. Out they came and in anger I threw them against the wall. Man was he mad. "Those cost over 10,000 dollars to make, are you crazy? I told him I was indeed crazy from the tinnitus and refused to be made totally insane with his new noise canceling noisy toys.

    Over the years, many supposed fixes have sprung up. Some people in desperation have had their nerves cut only to still "hear" the ringing.

    A product no longer available had some commercials playing on TV. I never ever saw myself acting like the people in the commercial. Considering the length of time I've suffered with tinnitus I watched the commercial with a sense of amusement.

    Like people living near an airport who no longer hear the jets flying overhead, convince yourself to get used to it.

    The Quietus commercial: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7LFV/quietus-stop-the-ringing


    Don't bother looking for it. Was sold on Amazon with a 92% 1 star rating. No longer marketed.

    Keep your spirits up as best you can. 49 years for me and hanging in there.
     
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  26. Hogi

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    Like others here my tinnitus appeared suddenly. I heard a howling noise one day when out on the bike. It stopped after a bit but a couple of days later I first noticed this high pitched sound.
    I've always worn ear plugs on the bike but just the cheap ones, now I use expensive custom fitted ones (£100). They definitely work, but I still hear the ringing while riding. And it's slightly louder than normal when I've parked the bike up but then it calms down.
    All I try to do is ignore it and distract myself and it mostly goes unnoticed. But when that doesn't work I've trained myself not to get stressed about it and accept it's part of being me.
    I won't hear it at all one day when I wake up dead, so I'll happily put up with waking up to a new day until then.
     
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  27. David Cooper

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    I feel for you my friend, you've had it a lot longer than me, I was used as a Guinea pig for an experiment that involved wearing a a device inserted into my ear that gave out a loud white noise, the idea was, that if I wore this for a full year my brain would listen to this noise, and forget about the ringing tinnitus noise, needless to say it didn't work in the slightest, and everyone else who tried it said the same, the white noise we listened to was actually worse than the tinnitus but we put up with it thinking it was a miracle cure, instead it was just a twelve month torture that I wish I'd never agreed to, I purchased some CBD oil to try today, I just hope it helps and I will let you know the results.
     

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