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Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by neil briscoe, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. neil briscoe

    neil briscoe Member

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    Hello again Working my way slowly through my 650 trophy sorted out my electrical issues from my last post Rubbish connections soldered joints with shrink wrap seems to have done the job for now Just tinkering with the carb iv noticed she is running a little rich Iv screwed the mix screw out 0ne and three quarters turns but the plug is still a little bit black. Not as bad as it was and it does run quite nice I have noticed that if I blip the throttle say coming up to a junction it like coughs any thoughts. Many thanks neil briscoe South Wales
     
  2. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    1 3/4 turns is quite a lot but if your plug is still sooty I would try a little more at 1/4 turn per go.
    Give it a good all thrashing between adjustments as well to allow any changes to properly show up.
    If the carb is a bit worn you may need to look at new jets to get to where you want.
     
  3. neil briscoe

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  4. neil briscoe

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    Thanks mick the carb is a bit warn it could be the original one as for the thrashing bit iv only took the bike up near 70 mph once as don't want to do any damage she is old she sings along at 55/60 but much more doesn't sound or feel good perhaps it's me being used to modern jap stuff but I will say this little triumph makes me smile
     
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  5. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Hi Neil,
    Yes, I should have been a bit more careful in my choice of words when I said 'thrashing' I meant more of a good few miles at a reasonable pace so the changes would become noticeable.
    I personally think your carb may be ready for a bit of TLC
     
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  6. neil briscoe

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  7. neil briscoe

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    Mick would you think it's worth getting anew ammel carb they cost just over £100 all jetted ready to go or just change the jets ps I havnt a clue what I'm doing mind I make it up as I go along as well as get most of my answers from you guys
     
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  8. MickEng

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    Hi Neil, I would price up the jets separately and if only a few quid would probably change the jets first.
    Check for general wear also on the slide and needle etc.
    It depends how bad the running condition is wether or not it's worth spending £100 on a new carb.
    £100 is not a bad price for a full new carb but if you can cure it for £10 better still.
     
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  9. neil briscoe

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  10. stevethegoolie

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    You could try setting the tickover by getting the engine fully warmed up then, with the engine ticking over, raise the tickover speed to its maximum using just the mixture screw. Then reduce the speed using the cable adjuster on top of the carb to get it back to normal (I'm assuming Amal concentric and that my memory hasn't faded totally :confused: from when I were a lad!). At this point the base setting should be about right. (A couple of throttle blips would not go amiss when idle speed seems about right.):)
    I'm with Mick as far as the rest of goes. Throttle slides can get scored if there is no air filter, as can the carb body - then it is new carb time:(:mad:!
    I don't know what the basic carb settings are i.e. jet sizes, throttle slide cutaway, needle position and float height etc., but I guess that would be what to aim for.
    Just be grateful that you only have one carb to deal with. My '69 Bonneville could be a pain in the bum to set up, but it flew when sorted (as my mate Trevor found when I blew his CB750 away .... several times - fnaarr, fnaarr!). Happy days!:cool:
     
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  11. neil briscoe

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    Thank you mick
     
  12. neil briscoe

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    Thank you mick
     
  13. neil briscoe

    neil briscoe Member

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    Thank you Do you think that if the mixture wasn't right the bike wouldn't run smooth I took her up to seventy once but she struggled to get there and it didn't feel very nice quite vibratory and not very smooth. Sorry for my ignorance but it's my first triumph and I don't know what to expect she starts with ease and up to 3500 revs relitevly smooth then after that all goes a bit narley if you know what I mean
     
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  14. MickEng

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    #14 MickEng, Jul 10, 2017
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    No need for apologies on here Neil, we are all learning as well as passing knowledge on.
    What you are saying about the bikes performance could be related to several things.
    Ignition timing
    Points, condenser, coil,
    Plugs, plug leads
    Valve seating & clearances
    Carburation
    All these are relatively low cost or no cost adjustments and if you work through them one at a time you should find which gives you the improvements for a better running engine
     
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  16. neil briscoe

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    Thank you all very much appreciated
     
  17. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    Well done , Rocker.
    Don't know where you found that but it will help old fools like me to remember when we was yoofs, and what we were trying to do, even if we didn't know exactly how and why it all worked. Strange that we mostly got it right even if it was usually by trial and error.
    Good work!
     
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