As we’re all a bunch of fossil fuel burning bikers... I suspect there may be some “hot headed” opinions, so let’s keep this civil... I’m interested in climate change , if David Attenborough and his posse are correct... there needs to be significant action taken soon to avoid a global man-made disaster. If Donald Trump and his side are correct, it’s an elaborate, money making hoax. So have you looked into this? What is your considered opinion? What do you base your opinions upon, supposition or research? I’m genuinely interested in the debate, not the cock-swinging name calling which detracts from the subject matter!
According to all the books, the Earths climate has always been changing. Ice ages, Europe having a tropical climate etc. So, yes is the answer. It's still changing, why would it stop ? But to bleat on about it or try to get more money out of joe public is just below the belt, just what politicians do init ? We've got to adapt just like our ancestors. Nature will.
Well i for one am really worried about climate change. So I have started doing my bit too save the environment. I now have started burying the bodies instead off burning them .Tucker
If the CO2 greenhouse theory is true - and it IS only a theory - then why aren’t we worried about water vapour because there is vastly more of it?! Why do we get excited about events that happen naturally over millennia and then relate them to human life spans with apocalyptic warnings? All heat ultimately derives from our (cooling) planet or the sun. Cosmologists are far less convinced than meteorologists. Scientific research is mostly public funded and the science heavily politicised to generate tax revenues ..... Buffalo Bill and African big game hunters must have helped forestall catastrophic warming from methane farting buffalo and gnu.....? Deforestation and pollution are ABSOLUTELY something we can be certain of AND do something about. Shame that large parts of the World are too corrupt/poor/ignorant to do more about it. I had better stop denying now...... even the language is corrupted to shut down debate as though Flat Earthers are still out there. It was of course warmer in the UK when the Romans were thrashing around in V8 Big Block chariots.....
not so many years ago Sting was ranting on about such things and now he advertises Fiat cars,the other day some "celebrity" FLEW in to support demonstrators in London.Do as I say not as I do!!
Do you remember 20 or so years ago when all the experts where telling us we were heading for an ICE AGE ?
Absolutely right. This is data from ice cores by the British Antarctic Survey... Anyone not see a pattern! - Climate change is natural and cyclical. I believe that the climate change agenda is just a distraction to occupy minds, whilst greater evils are taking place out of sight. Polution however is another matter, but most government policy is just a sham and excuse for extra taxation. 5 or 10p for a carrier bag is hardly a solution for plastic bags, sales of single use plastic bags may have fallen but only to be replaced with bigger thicker bags that use 10 or more times the plastic of single use bags. The idea of a returnable deposit on plastic bottles, will not stop the production of more plastic bottles. If governments really wanted to have an impact on polution they would just ban the unnecessary (bags, bottles, ets) use of plastics, and would look to reduce importing of goods that have travelled half the way around the world to get here when they could be produced locally. I grew up in the 70's when there was very little plastic used. Many shops used paper bags, all drinks bottles were glass and most had refundable deposits for return. Even refuse sacks were layered paper, and dust bins were metal. When I was at school there was a big campain to plant more trees, and kids were given a tree to plant at home, now in 2019 trees are being cut down on a large scale so as not to interfere with upcoming 5G (which has had no safety testing whatsoever). But then we have supposed to have progressed since the 70s.
If Namibia can ban plastic bags, they can take them off you as you enter the country, why can’t others? My thoughts on the ULEZ if the mayor is so concerned about killing school kids why not a total ban on the offending vehicles? Charging us to kill children is akin to running hunting lodges in Africa!
I do think that things are changing with the environment. I also think this is just the natural order of things and that anything we can do would be minimal. As far as our fearless leaders are concerned, once you give up and accept the fact that they are ALL liars, cheats and thieves, the happier you will be. This goes from the lowliest politician to the world leaders! Just mu two bits, for what it's worth.
@MadMrB ... you mentioned BAS and their expressed opinion on their website is clear and vague... this is my problem as an interested observer... they say the greenhouse gasses are linked to global warming, but don’t point the finger at specific sources (they may do in a deeper dive of their research, but not on the main web page. “Antarctic ice cores reveal the clearest link between levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the Earth’s temperature. They show that the temperature of the climate and the levels of greenhouse gases are intimately linked.” & “Because the causes and effects of climate change are extraordinarily complex, assembling all the pieces of the climate change jigsaw is a huge challenge.”
Yes, but as their data for the last 800,000 years illustrates climate change is cyclical and has been occuring way before humans could have had any influence on it. I'm not denying that humans have contributed to increases in greenhouse gasses, but I believe it is being very much overstated, and history proves that climate change occurs in a relative repeating pattern. The planet has repeatedly been almost entirely covered in ice, and then almost entirely free of ice, sea levels have been lower than present and also much higher than present.
The challenge is that those in power are often old and adopt the “I’ll be dead before the world dies” so do nothing. Added to which it rarely gets voters motivated, costs lots of money and appears too flippin hard People say it’s always been the case, the climate changes, which it does, and nature balances it back, we’re just accelerating it beyond nature being able to recover it I work on Waterloo bridge which has been closed by the protesters, inconvenient yes, but if they can effect change my great grandchildren will appreciate their commitment, I blame Swampy, he started all this
The earths processional cycle and also changes in the earths magnetic field have a major impact on climate change. See this: http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm
The Milankovitch cycles are mentioned in NASA’s “statement of facts” just not in name... and their supposition is that greenhouse gases do make a difference, and have increased way beyond previous measures (400,000 years years old ice cores and the like) https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
The cause and effect debate does not seem settled - was increased CO2 the result of warming and and not its cause and why the later fall off? It is less than 2% of the atmosphere and we have allegedly increased it by barely a couple of points of 1% .......Check out the muck your average volcano generates. Similarly Herschel’s C18 claimed correlation between sunspot activity and grain prices. It tends to get poo poo’d now but in the 1780s most grain was produced, traded and consumed pretty locally as railways and waterways did not exist to move it in any quantity over poor roads before the Industrial Revolution. I also treat the extreme weather events claims with some scepticism. Flooding may be worse because we have built on flood plains while East Anglia has been drained from the swamp it once was. Either way, photos of Tewkesbury Abbey standing clear of the water tells you Medieval builders knew a thing or two about local topography!
I'm more of the opinion that rather than the production of CO2, our greater crime is that we have damaged the earths natural ability to deal with it through deforestation etc. There are a multitude of factors that will have an effect on the global climate, and I think it is just too simplistic to equate artificial CO2 production to be the primary cause.
Exactly. I don't think anyone is denying that global warming is a natural cyclic process that has been established for millennia. It is the unprecedented rate at which it is occuring, in addition to the negative impact industrialisation has had on the planet's ability to adapt in such a way that is viable for the majority of sentient life. Nature will prevail, but at what potential cost to humanity. That is the point, not whether it is happening or not.
