Suggestions on what (if any) steering dampener you use?

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  1. desertspeedy

    desertspeedy Senior Member

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    Starting an exploration of what works well to slow down the steering head on a 2016 Speed Triple. I realize not all of us are on new model bikes. I do think any and all input on what fits and what you like about various types would help me. Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

    CHEERS,

    Chris
     
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  3. Rocker

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    Let the fork legs through the clamps 10mm will slow it down:D
     
  4. darkman

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    I found after i dropped the front of my 16 it shakes a bit more but not enough to warrant a damper :)
     
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  5. thebiglad

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    #5 thebiglad, Feb 27, 2017
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    Hello Chris, I had a TEC fork brace and steering damper on 2010 T100 and it firmed up the front end nicely.

    To reduce the steering angle (therefore steering speed) on your bike you could try to lower the back end of the bike a bit. That will change the angle, so the speed.

    I'm assuming you find the bike 'tips in' a bit too quick for your liking?
     
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  6. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Rocker if I understand you correctly you are talking about lowering the front end 10mm by dropping the fork legs through the triple clamps?

    That will sharpen the steering head angle and therefore increase the steering speed. Not by much but the OP wants the opposite.
     
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  7. Rocker

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    I think you'll find that will raise the front end so slowing the steering
     
  8. desertspeedy

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    Good one mate :).I nearly spit my coffee on the keyboard, lol. Now I don't have guns like those in the picture yet still fit at age 62. Just recognizing I my body will not recover as quickly from an off as it used to. Starting to explore the bike's potential and finding the front a tad twitchy and light, under full power at corner exit. My muckers that race Classics on IOM suggest adding a dampener but as their rides are classics they had no suggestion as to what works well on these. Was actually watching 2015 and 2016 IOM Duke videos yesterday trying to get a glimpse of what Jessopp and also Johnson were using on the 675's. No luck or I missed it as I didn't recognize the name on the decals (helmet and bike).
    Trying to sleuth it I was :).
     
  9. desertspeedy

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    Turn in seems fine, it is the light steering head behavior at corner exit, under power that is yielding the concern. All else seems spot on. Am still thinking it is sag related as the front is done but the rear is not since the new GP10 was installed. Thanks for thoughts, most helpful.
     
  10. darkman

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    Yeh another 60 + rider, a good tip that i use is to bend your arms a little more and push down on the foot pegs :)
     
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  11. desertspeedy

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    ^darkman, yes I get your point about consistent rider position and it being correct. Arms stay flexed and this chassis really does respond well to foot input on the pegs. Just want to address any potential head shake, if it still exists, after I complete the rear sag adjustment. Apparently no one is using a steering damper on their S3. I will keep looking and report back after some further testing.
     
  12. Dougie D

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    Will you be using it for trackdays or are your roads on the bumpy side? I've got the older model but i haven't felt the need to fit a steering damper yet
     
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  13. darkman

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    Good idea on setting the rear sag as this will help :)
     
  14. desertspeedy

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    Short answer is no track....all "real roads" stuff. We have such a variety of road types here in the Southwest. Anything from canyon carving, high speed desert, mountains, chicanes and challenging bumpy roads to nowhere. The heat here heaves up the roads the way the frost does up North. Bike has been remarkably brilliant as I have gotten to know it. This GP10 rear shock has unleashed more potential for me at corner exit and the slight headshake got my attention. May be, most likely is, just a sag setting not yet completed at rear. Otherwise this bike seems to ride on rails and I love it. I am not adverse to adding a stabilizer yet as with many things there are few options for this new a bike. I have emailed a few builders and we shall see what they say. More to follow.
     
  15. R_1000

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    Have you looked at Matris Steering Damper. They are tank mount meaning you can fine tune on the fly. They are on the expensive side but reaps on quality. I don't have one....maybe in the future after Maxton front/rear purchase :D

    With my current suspension set up (OEM), I tend to get a little head shake under hard corner exit acceleration. But as you said I didn't feel it was that bad to require an immediate purchase. If money isn't an issue then I'll get one in a flash just to be on the safe side ;)

    All the best buddy.
     
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  16. desertspeedy

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    ^ I will check out that brand. My mates racing at IOM like the GPR product but GPR says they do not fit our bikes as they would have to drill a hole in the frame. Still researching it all.

    I do have a meeting with Dustin Apgar next week Wednesday to set sag and fine tune my set up. He is a Pro AMA racer and has done set up on several bikes for me. Will report back once bike is done and see if headshake is gone.
     
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  17. tcbandituk

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    Sounds like the GP10 may have lifted the rear of the bike a bit and so increased head angle.
    Might try backing off the preload a bit to lower it ?
     
  18. desertspeedy

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    ^ I think you are spot on. I will find out tomorrow. Thank-you.
     
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    Update as promised - Went to see Dustin Apgar at his shop DTR Racing, Cave Creek Rd, Phoenix, AZ, USA. He is an active pro-AMA racer. He will be at Daytona the weekend of 3/18, known as the Ghilli man because his riding kit is all camo as is the bike (he is a vet). Racing in Texas end of April if any of you follow it on the tube. He checked rear sag and it WAS SPOT ON AT 33mm as it came from Maxton (NICE JOB). He dialed in a tad more rebound front and rear and the bike is now sublime. He coached me on the importance of carrying max weight on the pegs at all times and little on the bars!! I recall Hutchy talking about that and watching his videos confirms it. Learning the cool stuff I needed reinforcing on at age 62 :). Incredible ride now, tracks effortlessly out of the high speed corners and any down pressure on pegs
    is enough to change lanes even without hooking a knee into the wind. Headshake at corner exit is gone. Am I happy, hell yes. Need a steering damper, hell no. 2016 Triumph Speed triple S and Maxton for my personal win!

    CHEERS

    Chris
     
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    RESULT :)
     
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