Advice please. Stealers still got my d600 they broke!

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by Vladthetodge, Feb 11, 2017.

  1. Vladthetodge

    Vladthetodge Member

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    Hey all. My last post told of the woes of using the dealer. Basically they did valve clearance and feked it. Rattles like a tractor they said. Revs and idles good. Either way, they've had it since 31st Jan. Still not fixed and they've not rang me since Saturday to update me on progress.
    My question is, how to proceed. They've admitted they test rode it and, apart from a little hesitation at 3k the.bike ran well. I've a health check video from before any work was done. (not running btw)
    I want to know how to kind of tell them in the right way to fix it one way or the other soon as. But. As this has never happened to me before I'm not sure of my rights, per se.
    Any suggestions please?
    Many thanks in advance.
    Vlad.
     
  2. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    If the bike is still in warranty, I would be wanting a courtesy bike of the same spec. while they are repairing it.
    If the repair is not to your satisfaction, they have the option of fitting a new engine, supplying you with a new bike or giving you a full refund.
    That is of course the bike is still within its warranty period, that all service requirements have been adhered to and that you have not modified the bike in any way.
    Push for the courtesy bike first, it will make them get a move on knowing you are thraping about on one of their demo models in this weather.
    Good luck mate, don't be afraid of being a f****ing pain in the arse to them.
     
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  3. Sprinter

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    #3 Sprinter, Feb 11, 2017
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    Phone them and go through every thing so far and have someone listening and or taping so there is know doubt whos at fault no need to be anything other than nice. "hi remember me Im the guy with the ... that you ...then when you test drove...and you said... so hows it going now", or get it in writing, be friendly supportive, easy to deal with and strict,you are right and you need to lead them through this gently just keep your self protected and keep moving to a conclusion.
    They ll get sticky if its going to cost them, you want to keep it moving
     
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  4. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    It doesn't sound like nice is working.
    Vlad is without his bike, I would be very demanding and want a courtesy bike at the very least, they can take as long as they want then, but I am sure it would make them get their finger out knowing you're putting mileage on their bike in this weather.
     
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  5. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    If I remember correctly Vlad's bike is a Daytona 600 so it's not a question of new bikes or guarantees.

    Vlad, if I were you I would write a formal letter to the garage proprietor (address it by name) and list factually all that has happened including conversations and time frames. In this letter state what you want to happen in clear and specific terms; then specify the time frame your requirements must be delivered. Send this letter by recorded delivery keeping a copy for yourself.

    You need to build a history of events just in case it goes to court.
     
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  6. bogg

    bogg Senior Member

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    back it up with emails lots of emails then every thing is kept on record
     
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  7. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Vlad, how old is the bike ?
     
  8. Vladthetodge

    Vladthetodge Member

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    Righty ho update!

    Spoke to the service department manager.
    We've gone through everything with a fine tooth comb. The problem is with the timing chain and tensioner. That's where the rattle resides. Now I understand that if that's gone up the kyber after taking out and rebuilding that that is an issue I take the cost of. To be fair to the guy, he's been upright and honest. They've replaced circlips and oil seals free of charge whilst trying to identify the issue. He's said he's going to back off the tensioner 2 turns and do a final check to see if all well or if the chain and tensioner is at fault. I will know more Wednesday at the latest. From there I'll see what he's gonna try charge me for and discuss then. I'm going to go down to the shop and ask to see the bike.
    Will keep informed of progress, and thanks guys for all the thoughts on the matter.
     
  9. stew?

    stew? Member

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    Sounds more promising, fingers crossed for Wednesday.
     
  10. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Vlad, there appears to be some light..............................................................
     
  11. Vladthetodge

    Vladthetodge Member

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    Oh dear.
    It appears that triumph have broken doris....big style.
    Spoke to the head tech today and the rattle still there after replacement of timing chain and tensioner. They out a camera down and found round marks on all four pistons.
    Guy said it looks very much like it's been miss timed. No shit.
    He had the balls to say if it something they haven't done to it it's my cost!
    Now, it ran fine before its service. And it didn't rattle. So now I've got probably a two week wait while they pull the head off and investigate.
    Not impressed.
    I can do without the bike as I have three to play with but still. What kind of numpty times the cams wrong ffs? They're triumph trained!
     
  12. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    They've admitted they test rode it and, apart from a little hesitation at 3k the.bike ran well. I've a health check video from before any work was done. (not running btw)

    Vlad.[/QUOTE]


    Your first post says they took it for a test drive so your good
     
  13. bogg

    bogg Senior Member

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    solicitor sounds like the best way to go,,or at least the threat of it and don't forget 'emails' they are a good way of keeping records of what's been said
     
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  14. bogg

    bogg Senior Member

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    Vlad, have you named and shamed this dealer yet??
     
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  15. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Are there any solicitors on the forum that may be able to help out ?
    If not, this could turn into a very expensive and time consuming exercise, proving the dealer is at fault may be near on impossible.
    Sorry to sound pessimistic but from my experience this is not sounding good and you certainly don't want to find yourself having to pay huge legal bills on top of having to get the bike repaired.
    May be better to take the bike away and get an independent assessment.
     
  16. bogg

    bogg Senior Member

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    they shouldn't be req'd but without the threat of they may just try it on, which just ain't right,I think they should have been running around with their hands waiving in the air shouting" it's a fair cop govner" as soon as they test rode it:(
     
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  17. bogg

    bogg Senior Member

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    could always contact Triumph themselves and point them in the direction of their dealer and the standard of their workmanship,it worked for me with Norton back in the 70s
     
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  18. TEZ 217

    TEZ 217 Crème de la Crème

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    That would be my approach now, youve done all you can and dealer is reluctant to take the blame for anything, pay nothing as yet dont even agree to pay for what they may find, Make contact with Triumph !!!
     
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  19. old git

    old git Well-Known Member

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    Screwing up valve timing is nothing short of complete incompetence!!
     
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  20. Vladthetodge

    Vladthetodge Member

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    I'm not going to name and shame at this stage.
    As it stands, they manager said in thirty years of foxing bikes he only ever seen this damage as a result of bad timing.
    I don't trust the bloke as far as I could throw him however.
    I will email them. Just need to work out how to phrase what I want to say.
    The bike ran fine when it went in. They did valve clearance and it's fubar. It won't have slipped a tooth due to a loose timing chain, or they'd have known. They even said tensioner was fine. Yeah, they replaced at my authority the timing chain and tensioner. It hasn't.fixed it.
    I have a person or two looking into this for me, bit other than getting them to out everything in email and paper as evidence I'm going no further. Things may become apparent that will change that I'm the coming week or so, for the manager to all but admit it's been miss timed is odd, but not provable as it was a phone call.
    For now I'll let the juices flow and get advice on how to proceed should they get funny with me.
    A main dealer should not have fubar'd timing up whilst doing routine service.
    Will keep you all informed and thanks all. Much appreciated.
     
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