Removing Mangled Seized Screws

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  1. andyb57

    andyb57 Senior Member

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    Any tips on how to remove seized Philips screws with mangled heads from throttle housing before I use an extractor bit? Have used loads of Plus Gas, not shifting at all but can't apply heat as I usually would because of risk of damaging grip and paint.
     
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  2. Pegscraper

    Pegscraper Elite Member

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    Are the screws recessed? If not and the heads are exposed try cutting a slot in the head with a fine hacksaw and use a conventional screwdriver. If not, an extractor may be your only option if the housing is plastic.
     
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  3. andyb57

    andyb57 Senior Member

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    One side of the screws sits tight against a raised section of the housing so not much room to work in!
     
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  4. TRIPLE X

    TRIPLE X Senior Member

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    Or you could drill the head off the screw to free the housing then extract the remaining threaded stud with pliers or mole grips. This will only work if you think there will be enough stud protruding to get hold of which depends on the thickness of the housing.
     
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  5. Bolosun

    Bolosun Well-Known Member

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    I've had a fair amount of success using extractors like these
     
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  6. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse,he's out of bed again
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    Impact screwdriver may jar it loose
     
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  7. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Impact first. Then lost for lost drill screw's head and get new screws.
    The thread part missing wont be seized, usually only the head is.
     
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  8. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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    I would try gently tapping a torx bit into the chewed philips screw, the fittings are delicate and only hand tightened around 7nm, often these screw threads corrode so do need a little persuasion, but remember the housings are plastic and can easily crack.
     
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  9. PatW

    PatW Senior Member

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    +1 for tapping a torx bit in also try a drill on reverse (anti clock wise) first, it won't drill the head off the fastener but on a low torque screw like those it sometimes grips enough to unwind it a few turns.
     
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  10. andyb57

    andyb57 Senior Member

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    I went for the nuclear option after trying a flat screwdriver - the extractor zipped them straight out. Will replace with Allen bolts.
     
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  11. TRIPLE X

    TRIPLE X Senior Member

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    I am not a fan of Phillips / Pozidriv screws and always try to replace them with socket head fasteners where possible.
     
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  12. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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    What we term Philips screws are not always the case, all Japanese motorcycles, and some other manufacturers use Japanese Industry Standard (JIS) screws, what you need to undo them are JIS screwdrivers and not a Philips one, hence that's why you often see damaged heads on the fasteners. The right tools save an awful lot of heartache.
     
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  13. Tom Swift

    Tom Swift Active Member

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    Here in the US, very few mechanics use JIS screwdrivers and never have a problem. Those who aren't experienced or know when to use an impact driver are the ones that have problems even with a JIS screwdriver. Left handed drill bits often get the job done without an extractor.
     
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  14. PatW

    PatW Senior Member

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    The standard screwdriver issued in every bike toolkit I've ever owned has been Jis, Phillips screws and drivers are for carpentry and DIY
     
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  15. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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    Hi, well as an old school qualified mechanic in a previous life, I personally only use the right tools for the job (with some exceptions), however for any fastner I recommend and use the right quality tools. If indeed qualified mechanics stateside don't use JIS screwdrivers on Japanese machines then I would avoid letting them get their hands on your pride and joy, an impact driver is usually a last resort, that said most of us do tend to have them, usually to sort out issues not of our own making.
     
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  16. Rooster

    Rooster Grumpy Member
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    Try one of these.

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    video of similar product

     
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  17. Damien

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    And impact driver bits are normally made to JIS spec anyway, not Philips.
     
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  18. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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    Not quite true, my impact driver has a set of 25 bits, some are JIS, some Philips, some are flat blade and the rest are Torx, it depends what make you buy as there and many on the market, mine is a Snap On, but you can pick a budget one up for around £10, these tend to have lower quality bits though. Ride safe all from an ageing Rocker.
     
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  19. Tom Swift

    Tom Swift Active Member

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    I don't pay attention if a driver is JIS or not now that there are hybrids. If it fits good and doesn't slip is all that matters. Stubborn screws will cause a problem only if you let the driver slip out. I don't let my screwdrivers slip so they work fine even if they aren't some form of JIS. That's the only reason I never bought JIS specific drivers. I do have Japanese tool kit drivers if I ever did need one. What brand has the hardest tip? Snapon is the hardest I've found, what's available, guaranteed for life and free delivery so that's what I have.
     
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