2002 Rear Hub, Drop Link And Now Swing Arm Service

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  1. Smilinjack

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  2. DanielB

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    #22 DanielB, Jan 2, 2022
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    some photos, for anyone interested...

    Remove the safety clip

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    Get something big enough to handle your big nuts...

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    Make the bike safe to work on

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    Having loosened the nuts take off the wheel

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    This is the pesky stake nut that caused so much issue, but now came off with ease:

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    Chain loosened and nuts off, remove axle - be sure to drop all the washers all over the place to confuse the order for reassembly :tired_face:

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    easy does it...

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    et voila!

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    check bearings

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    dirty but seem OK...

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    for anyone equally eager, but also not confident; none of this has been technically difficult or challenging...it's just "undoing stuff"...

    so far, so good... :blush:
     
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  3. Smilinjack

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    Good work. Have you got a new stake nut? :)
     
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    Seeing that large retaining clip reminded me-I set the torque wrench a little under the 146nm spec, because almost certainly you'll need to crank the nut round a few more degrees to find the hole for that clip. :)
     
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  5. DanielB

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    I've whatsapped you :cool:
     
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    Here's a can of worms...

    This strip down - first time on my watch - is showing that everything here is pretty skanky. Years worths of grime...thick sticky black gunk on rear sprocket and parts 9f the axle, as well as all the now exposed parts of the swing arm.

    What's a good product to get this grime off? Elbow grease? Brake cleaner? Paraffin? Wire brushes? Rag...? Hot soapy water?

    Its all cleaning up ok...just curious really, what others use...

    All suggestions and experiences welcome :)
     
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    Chain lube I imagine. Gunk or Jizer used to be the thing, I'm sure more modern products are available. No wire brush on alloy in particular. :)
     
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  8. Iceman

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    As Col says the dish side goes towards the nut, don't forget on reassembling to set the eccentric hub correctly, otherwise the rear wheel will catch the hugger (if one is fitted), most people forget to do it and only realise once on the road, and by that time the damage is done, also it is advisable to either lock-wire or cable tie the securing spring for the rear nut. Another thing to remember is don't over grease the eccentric adjuster, as this will attract road grit and grime resulting in wear and eventually a sticking hub that will result in a difficult to adjust chain.
     
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    Thank you....

    Just checking...

    Dish side? As in the high/pointy side, towards the nut?

    I understand what you say about over greasing the eccentric hub, a light smear of copper grease was my plan.

    Not sure I understand what you mean by the correct setting of the hub upon reassembly? o_O

    I was anticipating putting it back in so the hub/sprocket is as far forward as possible...like it was when it was removed; so I can then move it aft to tighten the chain when all is done?
     
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    From the forward-most (slack) position you can potentially tighten the chain by going clockwise or anti-clockwise, you must go anti-clock to get the correct wheel position and chain run.
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    #31 DanielB, Jan 2, 2022
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    Ah....that makes sense...

    In fact, I did notice...as I slackened and slackened the chain... before I knew it it was tightening again! So I kinda stumbled upon this already...but your explanation makes sense and is noted for reassembly!
     
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    Hi Daniel sorry not to have replied sooner, Col explains it correctly and you can see how the ride height can be lowered/heightened. I have attached a copy from one of my factory manuals that show the correct sequence for re installation, bearing number 22 is the one that usually falls apart when completely dismantling the hub, although careful drifting out can prevent it happening, personally I use a bearing removal tool that I made up specifically for these models.

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    Thanks @Iceman , that all makes sense about the chain tensioning direction.

    I'm going to remove the eccentric hub, to clean it's mechanism in the swingarm...but so far, from what I can feel by wiggling my fingers in the hole(s), is that the bearings are all in good condition. No roughness or grittyness...so will not progress further with any stripdown of the hub itself or the cush drive. Just a good clean and regrease.

    I just need to get that blasted 75mm circlip off without big enough circlip pliers!

    You know....I'm beginning to realise why people pay mechanics; they have all the bloomin tools! Do manufacturers do it on purpose, literally have different size things for each specific whatsit, so it becomes prohibitively expensive to do anything yourself? I simply can't justify a £25(ish) pair of pliers to only use on one circlip that I may not need again for 24000 miles!?:triumph:
     
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    Hi Daniel, I sympathise regarding the issue of tools, I would say don't try getting that circlip off without the correct circlip pliers, the torque required to open it up enough for removal is high, I have known people who have prised it off with screwdrivers and regretted it, if the clip flies off and hits you in the face it will cause injury, apart from anything else you then have to get it back on. For me I have always bought what tools I need. I recently did some work on my sons Panigale 1299s, the one thing I was short of was the specialist front and rear suspension tools (in the red box) so I bought them (not cheap), but worthwhile. The torque wrenches are Snap on and Facom, one goes from 1nm to 65nm another 60nm to 120nm and the third is 100nm to 250. Is there any forum members living near to Daniel that can loan him a pair of suitable circlip plyers, we have all been there starting off.

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    That's a great bounty of tools you have their @Iceman !

    And thank you for your wise advice regarding the tools. Generally I do concur and think the right tool for the job...it does make life so much easier!

    I have one work colleague who works on his vehicles, I will see what he has when back at work...otherwise...I feel a purchase coming on!!
     
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    I did warn you at the start :)....
    But you should be able to get a full set of decent sized circlip pliers for £20 ish, or get just the one you need from a good tool shop for less.
    The way I look at it is £25 is only going to get you half an hours labour at the bike shop. (and I will use them again eventually)
     
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    You did, you did..I know, I know...:rolleyes:

    Big circlip pliers in my basket, awaiting my hitting of the button... (£19)...

    I have one of those "adjustable nose" jobbies...that works fine, on any normal/smaller sizes...so I am just gonna buy this one pair of big boys...
     
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    That's gotta be one of the best £19.50 I've ever spent for almost one of the best and most satisfying 16 seconds I've ever had!

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    Great buy Daniel, the right tools save an awful lot of aggro in the long term, keep the forum up to date as the work progresses.
     
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    Agreed...and, will do!

    (I am sure this is boring for some...but maybe useful to others....)

    Hub out next, a good clean and grease...then put it all back together!
     
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