E10 Petrol

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  1. David Cooper

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    E10 petrol laws aren't starting until September according to Government websites, however I went for fuel today at Asda and didn't notice it was E10 until after I'd filled up, just a heads up for all you people with old bikes, look at the pump label before you fill up.

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  2. Yorkshireman

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    Morrison’s were all E10 round here too. Seems like they have changed early.
     
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  3. David Cooper

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    It's probably caught a few people off guard, coming out earlier than we thought.
     
  4. stevethegoolie

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    Filled the car up t'other day at the local Jet garage and that was E10. Apparently their super unleaded will be E5 for the time being - however long that is!
     
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  5. David Cooper

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    We'll all have to go electric, unless we get rid of Bojo the brainless and Princess Nutjob
     
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  6. Cyborgbot

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    Oh - how about doing some DIY fractional distillation? Heat the fuel to 80 degrees and evaporate off the ethanol.

    The products of this exercise would be proper fuel the way dinosaurs meant it to be and a fine base to a cocktail - just add a cherry.

    Don’t do it in your kitchen, and please be sure your home buildings & contents and medical insurance is all paid up.

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  7. Hubaxe

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    Don't panic.
    We have E10 for years there, and motorcycles are still running, cars are still running, garage are not full of cars that failed because of ethanol.
    The main difference is that ethanol is hydrophile, so if you let ethanol staying for months in a tank, you can have a bit of white smoke at restart.
     
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  8. Yorkshireman

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    I think I see the problem in his right hando_O
     
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  9. brown mouse

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    I've noticed the same, they possibly changed the labels in advance of the fuel changing. I believe E5, E10, etc. mean up to 5%, 10%, ... ethanol, to act as a warning for vehicles where this is not suitable. So better change early than late.

    I know Esso premium fuel has always had E5 on it where it has had no ethanol in this part of the country. Think I got the 'up to' meaning of the E label from Esso site where it talked about that fuel.

    I recently got TuneECU for the servicing tools and noticed the standard engine mapping for my 2018 Triumph is described as E20, so guess I'm good at least until that time.
     
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  10. Manuel C.

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    Hi,
    when I bought my Sprint GT, I asked Triumph Support if I could use Sp 95, SP 98 or SP95-E10. The answer was : use Sp95 or SP98 only, best is SP98...
    It is certainly possible to use SP95-E10 without big troubles, but it was not the manufacturer's preconization..
     
  11. ian650

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    The start date for E10 is 1st September 2021. I believe that the garages have only put the signage up in preparation. I'm sure we will all have a tale or two to tell after a month or so of using the " new fuel".
    Getting rid of the ethanol out of E10 (or E5) also lowers the octane rating so you may need a bit of a booster!!
     
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  12. Manuel C.

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    yep...
    still find easily SP98 here, so no pb for the moment......
     
  13. RobBr

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    Ah but some of us with Sprint 955is have plastic tanks which struggle with e5 and will be even worse with e10, also it affects things like rubber seals on older bikes.
     
  14. Manuel C.

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    yep..it's a problem, should replace all parts non ethanol compatible or...replace the bike.
    F! stupid governments & "green" debils !!
     
  15. Helmut Visor

    Helmut Visor Only dead fish go with the flow
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    Apparently some are having problems with stripping non lacquered paintwork if you spill ethanol added fuel on it.
     
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  16. Wessa

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    Worth noting to be careful when getting fuel …
     
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  17. Hubaxe

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    Count me in, I have a ST 1050 year 2005 with the plastic tank, still in perfect shape despite years of Ethanol.
    Seals issue will only arm older models.
    As I stated earlier, the only issue was mine stayed months untouched before I bought it. I had to put an injector cleaner to push away all the condensation in the fuel system.

    My 1984 Goldwing runs on E5, and so far no pb. I'll soon have to rebuild the carbs, and I'll have to be careful choosing the new o ring material.
     
  18. Hubaxe

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    Despite running a 80s model with already aged seals, no problem.
    I had until recently a Fiat Panda 4X4 year 1987, and it ran on E10 without issue.
     
  19. Manuel C.

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    An old Panda 4x4 : really cool !!! :cool:.... cars of the 80-90's have not much issues with different kinds of fuels, today sensors calibration is really a pain in the neck when the fuel quality vary a bit...
    Seals & pipes in old engines are not adapted for ethanol, but with 5-10% of ethanol, their destruction is just a bit accelerated & you can run the engine without troubles till pipes & seals expected replacement.
    Things are different with E85, with this fuel you have to buy an engine using adapted seals & pipes.
    I had a E85 Renault Laguna III till last year : no pb with any kind of fuel, BUT with E85, engine running was a bit erratic with E85 contaminated with water. It was not really often.
    With a carburettor, to use E85, you have to change the jet for a bigger one to have the same level of power.
     
  20. Manuel C.

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    That's all I know about ethanol....:p
     
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