Front Brake Clean & Piston Lube

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  1. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    Being that it’s raining and I’m board, I thought I would get around to a complete once over on the front brakes. Last year I gave them a good cleaning and had the replacement pads put in, but I never got around to lubricating the pistons. It pretty straight forward actually, just remove the calipers from the forks, then remove the pads and then use soapy water and a toothbrush to clean everything up. Before removing the pads try not to push the pistons in too far, as you may push dirt back into the piston housing. After the pads are out I pump the pistons out very carefully as not to have them pop out, you don’t want that. You want them out far enough to clean all around them with soapy water and a toothbrush. You can see from the photos that there is some dirt on the pistons, but not too bad as I cleaned them last year. After that I block two opposing pistons and get to work on lubing the other two pistons. I put the lube on the pistons where they meet the caliper then squeeze them by hand in and out to move the lube into the housing. This is to get some lube back to the rubber seal as well as to have lubrication for the pistons as well. I then block the pistons that were just lubed and do the same to the other pistons. After that spray some brake clean on the caliper to clean any grease off and put the pads back in. Repeat for the other caliper. I put a little copper grease on the caliper bolts and tightened them to 55 NM. A little tip I learned on how to align the calliper to the rotor is to spin the wheel then grab the brakes and hold them tight as you tighten the caliper bolts. Make sure the caliper bolts are only hand tight before you begin. Anyway I just thought I would share this with you guys, as some might find it useful. I took some photos along the way so it might make more sense to follow along. Cheers.

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  2. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Thanks, That's something I need to do soon. The alignment process will be tried too
     
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  3. Bolosun

    Bolosun Well-Known Member

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    What do you use to lube the pistons? I use silicon oil when I do mine. Also, if using any grease on bolts, back of the torque settings a couple of notches. Eg if it should be 60nm, use 55nm.
     
  4. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    I’m not 100% with regards to the torque setting with grease, as some believe that grease is needed to achieve the correct torque.

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  5. Alan Gilbert

    Alan Gilbert Senior Member

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    #5 Alan Gilbert, May 3, 2021
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    Nice shiny calipers!!
    When I replaced the pads following the recall, I found the wheel clearance for removing the calipers to be very tight and it helped to first rock the caliper on the disc a little to push the pistons in just a little. It gives just that little bit of extra clearance at the wheel to help get the things free without scagging the wheel.
    Manual talks about minimum 0.3mm clearance on either side when remounting
    The calipers. In practice, if the mounting bolt holes are machined accurately, this min clearance will happen by default but perhaps some aren’t machined accurately and need setting up for the correct clearance.
    The manual advises applying the brakes as you suggested.
    The only thing I would add is to warn others to be exceedingly cautious what you lube your pistons with so- called “brake grease”. Many of these products are mineral-based, high temp/ceramics etc and will cause the seals to swell and screw your brakes. Most of these products are designed for lubricating the mechanical slides/pins etc but not the pistons themselves and consequently are mineral-based.
    To lubricate the pistons/seals you absolutely must use a castor-based lubricant such as red rubber grease or a product which specifically states it is safe on piston seals or states that it is not mineral-based. When assembling new seals, best to use brake fluid.
    How’s that quickshifter???
     
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  6. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    Regarding caliper removal; I alway duck tape off the rim to avoid any damage if the calliper touches the rim, as it is very tight coming off the rotor. There is way too much play with the calliper when bolting it to the fork, so yeah it would be nice if it was more precise, but that seems to be the norm.
    Regarding the brake lube; Yes you are correct you’ll have to ensure that the lube or grease is meant for rubber seals in brake components. I did not mention this because I thought it was obvious to use an appropriate product.
    Quickshifter; So far so good.
     
  7. Alan Gilbert

    Alan Gilbert Senior Member

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    #7 Alan Gilbert, May 3, 2021
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    you’re lucky . . . . . here in the U.K., there is virtually nothing available that I have been able to find. Red Rubber grease is the only lubricant I have found for this job.
    The gotcha is calling these lubricants “Brake Grease” when in fact, they destroy seals!and it’s a trap waiting to catch the unwary.
    I read one post where a guy used coppaslip on his pistons
     
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  8. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    you’re lucky . . . . . here in the U.K., there is virtually nothing available that I have been able to find. Red Rubber grease is the only lubricant I have found for this job.
    The gotcha is calling these lubricants “Brake Grease” when in fact, they destroy seals!and it’s a trap waiting to catch the unwary.
    I read one post where a guy used coppaslip on his pistons[/QUOTE]
    Don’t people read the package anymore? Good God. But then again again look how many people think there’s a killer virus going around : unamused:. No common sense anymore.
     
  9. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    I've looked on internet and it looks like there are 2 types of brake caliper grease. 1 for the sliding pin and the pad mounting, and some specific grease for the caliper piston.
    I'm about to order ATE 03.9902-0501.2/02 Ate, specific for hydraulic piston.
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  10. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    Just make sure it states it can be used for piston seals. The product that I have states specifically that, among other uses. If it’s not for rubber seals I wouldn’t use it, as the grease will probably migrate to the seals. I’m hoping it will.
     
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  11. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    I just checked that grease out and it looks like the right product, as it states it can be used on seals. Good find.
     
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  12. XCaTel

    XCaTel Senior Member

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    I would hazard a guess that most motorcycle dealers, when changing pads, clean out the caliper, re-apply pin, or moving caliper part grease but would not apply brake piston grease as a norm.
     
  13. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    I doubt it very much unless there was a significant amount of dirt, then you would be more than likely changed extra for it. Unfortunately mechanics are only allotted a specific amount of time to complete the work. If you have a mechanic who runs their own business you might get a more complete job. At least in my country that’s how it works, could be different else where I suppose.
     
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