2019 Rs Oil Consumption

I assume you are checking level with bike held level and dipstick screwed in?

 

I've heard this discussion a few times before, mostly concerning cars. I think it is correct to say that manufacturers often say one litre per thousand miles is acceptable....l don't agree, it's just to get them out of doing anything.
My triple doesn't us any discernible oil between changes but I think it is only reasonable to fully run the engine in and then do a through check following an identical procedure and then see how things look.

 

My view on the proper procedure for running in a motorcycle is the following. The first 500 miles is critical, during this process the internal friction in the engine is at it's highest since the components are new and have not been "bedded in", once the machine has reached it's 500 miles the reduction in friction is significant. It is well established that a correctly run in machine will have better fuel economy, less emissions, better performance and engine longevity, additionally other key components will work a lot better and last longer. There are self professed experts that say the best way to "break in your motorcycle" is "ride it like you stole it", this is illogical and not a good idea at all as tolerances are close, metal parts wear off and make make their way into the engine oil, running at excess speed or flat out for a long time could "clog up the oil filter" with metal shavings and might migrate into the engine, the more aggressive break in would in any case often require a "track day" or two. Often when an engine has not been run in sympathetically it can develop serious faults with the gearbox and engine, and excessive oil consumption.
The best way to run in your machine is the one recommended in the owners manual, many of us on the forum have been to the Triumph factory and seen first hand the "quality control staff" putting bikes on the dynometer heated and running as the first step in the initial running in. If there were a better way of of running in your motorcycle I am sure that motorcycle manufacturers would know about it. Some may disagree with me and say "I don't know what I am talking about", I don't take issue with that, we all have different viewpoints and I respect that, however all I can say is in a previous life I was a qualified mechanic, I had an excellent reputation for engine and gearbox rebuilds, including some for sidecar racing. I left that trade went back to University gained new qualifications and joined the CJS, and have worked in that field for the past 3 decades. Ride safe all especially during the forthcoming Easter Holiday when our UK roads will no doubt be manic.

 

Let’s talk about that Evoque again at about 50K miles. I sure hope you’re not still an “owner” at that point in time.
Think about it, mate. All they want to do is to sell you another.

 

I’ve never had a bike that uses a noticeable amount of oil beyond the occasional half a cupful between services. VFR750, ST1100, S1K, 2x 1050s etc
I’ve always run them in as per the book ie vary engine speeds, light loads and gradually increasing Rev ceiling over the first 1000 miles.
I’m familiar with the alternative argument but fail to understand why manufacturers would recommend a routine which is “proven” to result in a post-break in lemon - it makes no sense. Surely the manufacturer and their lawyers are going to want the minimum amount of hassle from their customers and recommending a duff break-in routine doesn’t strike me as the way to achieve this???
That said and getting back to reality - I suspect the tolerances and finish of modern manufacturing is so much better than in days gone by such that the historical running-in period is something of a legacy and not perhaps entirely necessary from the engine wear point of view. There’s still the need to be cautious when bedding in new brakes and tyres though but given I ride like a pussy, I don’t go much beyond the break-in restrictions anyway!! My S1K redlines around 14200. . . I don’t think I’ve ever taken her above 7500 - plenty quick enough for me and only thing she seems to use is petrol and rubber!!

 

I would like to start off by saying that I respect everyone’s opinion, and we all must justify our own decisions. But here is what I believe to be reality. Let’s imagine for a moment your new bike comes with instructions to ride it hard at high rpm’s on your first ride, what do you think the outcome will be for a lot of riders? Exactly! Now imagine lawyers explaining to the company the potential liability lawsuits if they run with this brake in process, even though it could be a better process. Not only is this dangerous it’s illegal. The “let’s ask them to take it easy for a while so they get used to the bike and don’t kill themselves” brake in procedure equates to less accidents and less lawsuits, and potentially more work for the company’s mechanics down the road. No company or government for that matter is looking out for your best interest. Just look what’s going on in the world right now! Do you think that’s for your best interest, I think not.

 

Do modern triumphs record the bikes revs ?, only reason I ask is that I was advised Ducati do and it’s uploaded on first service and saved as the running in profile, tied to your vin, they use this as the get of jail free if you have thrashed the engine constantly and later have an issue, read on another forum about a Ktm owner the spewed his engine in the first 35 miles thrashing and bent one of the valves and ktm store in the ecu and refused warranty as the recommended run in was ignored. That’s a court case but expect he will loose.

 

Hi m4ppy, in answer to your question, yes the data can be recovered, this includes the RPM and speeds, the data can show the rate of acceleration and deacceleration, it is the same case for cars. As an example if a motorcycle or car is involved in a very serious RTC the Police can and do send the EMS to the manufacturer for the data to be recovered, as an example if it happened in the UK the EMS can and has been sent to Japan for the data to be recovered, and it happens in a reasonable time scale. If a motorcycle is in the dealer for engine warranty work and it is suspected that machine has been abused i.e. "ride it like you stole it", not a phrase I like to use personally, when that data is downloaded it shows a very clear record of how the machine has been ridden. It's like the hard drive on your computer, all data can be recovered no matter what encryption is on the device (unless you have sophisticated military grade encryption and clean) and I very much doubt the average person does or needs it. I have first hand experience (professionally) of cases where the data has been recovered. Electronics on motorcycles are a great thing, however there is that downside. Ride safe all.

 

That was my understanding after chatting to a tech at the dealers, he advised follow the run in as per the manufacturer and occasional spirited riding won’t be an issue, drive it at red line or close and if you have a claim you may find your not covered.

I get the comments over pushing a new engine but this day an age, it’s not worth it and may not even be required, modern engines are not like the were years ago, have just done the run in on a Ducati and my cupra (car) and followed the recommendation. The car is freeing up nicely and the Ducati was a few hundred miles short of the 1,000 but you could feel the change in the engine, both had oil and filter changed, as that I do like done on a new engine

 

If that is true you would think triumph would have used that against me when the quickshifter toasted my gearbox. Triumph would have had the dealer forward that info to them and denied any claim. Triumph would be shaking their heads at the rpm’s and speed right after leaving the show room floor. But yet the claim was approved as well as a new bike given to me. I think they appreciated the fact that someone had the kahunas to ride the bike like it’s meant to be ridden . Maybe I just got lucky. Well unlucky first then ... well you know what I mean

 

We all have

In the end we all have to do what we feels right and what we are comfortable with too. No judgment.

 

I would say you are more than lucky, it may well be your dealer never looked too hard, also the dealer would have had to return the EMS to the factory and await the return of the information, I strongly suspect any rider taking in their machine for such warranty work knowing they had (as some may say, rode it like they stole it), are hardly likely to admit to it in front of the dealer, rather are more likely to go on the defensive and blame the bike as being intrinsically faulty. What I can say with absolute certainty is here in the UK if it was suspected misuse had taken place (and there are lots of little tell tale signs to look for), especially during the first 1000 miles running in period then the outcome would not be that favourable I suspect. I am not sure blame can be vigorously blamed on the machine as having a serious fault, whilst admitting to riding it very hard out of the showroom. On a similar thread I know of at least one Factory Employee that is a regular on this forum, I'm not suggesting anything untoward in this (I think they enjoy the crack, not the illegal Class A I may add), however "be very careful what you wish for" or write as unfortunately it can become rather tricky. I genuinely respect other peoples views, how a person rides their machine is entirely up to them. That's one of the big reasons many of us have dedicated track bikes, if it goes bang we get another engine or bike. Ride safe all.

 

Well let’s hope said factory employee informs the factory of the major F ups with said bike. My dealer actually knows how I ride it, as I’ve had that exact conversation with one of the tech’s. It was never questioned at my dealer of how it was ridden, as this was never a break in issue. No where in the manual does it state that their run in process must be followed. It does state and I quote that their run in process “will en- sure lower exhaust emissions, and will optimise performance, fuel economy and longevity of the engine and other motorcycle components”, which is unsubstantiated. So maybe their lawyers need to make an amendment to their manual if they’re going to deny warranty claims on the grounds of improper run in with people like myself LOL. Again people must do what they feel comfortable with and I can respect that.

 

Prior to purchasing my Speedy, I spoke to Triumph UK ostensibly to take advice on the quickshifter. In reality, I was alerting them to the fact that potential buyers do glean information from forums such as this and shite sticks. They were quick to acknowledge that they knew of a "Canadian Owner" and were familiar with his misfortune. They also confirmed that the EMS data they looked at had them puzzled and was clearly faulty since the tacho data had "hung" in the red and the ABS sensors were reporting the front wheel rarely turned more than half a dozen revolutions during break-in. The guy laughed when he said . . ."and that dude thought it was just his gearbox which we assembled on a Friday afternoon!!" . . . . . little did he know!!

 

That’s pretty funny. You know us Canadians are crazy eh. Yup, with 38 million people in Canada that had to be me .