E10 Fuel - What Do You Think?

I'm afraid I don't know how old that info is...I guess it's spreading from those areas by now. A sad fact of life I guess we now have to live with...petrol contains ethanol, end of.

 

It’s another government conspiracy just like the diesel one a few years ago. Get everyone using E10 on the grounds it’s more environmentally friendly then when it’s fucked all our tanks and fuel systems costing us thousands to replace parts they’ll deny it ever happened.




Sorry, that was a bit of a rant wasn’t it?

 

Be prepared to be surprised, a quote from Esso.
Our Synergy Supreme+ 99 petrol has more cleaning power than our regular petrol – and includes molecules whose job it is to reduce the friction in your engine helping the moving parts work more efficiently.*

Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area, Scotland and NW England). Legislation requires us to place these E5 labels on pumps that dispense unleaded petrol with ‘up to 5% ethanol’, including those that contain no ethanol, which is why we display them on our Synergy Supreme+ 99 pumps.

There’s currently no requirement for renewable fuel, like ethanol, to be present in super unleaded petrol although this could change in the future, in which case we would comply with any new legislation.

 

In Sweden we used to use ethanol during the winter, especially old cars to prevent moisture in the tank freezing up and blocking the fuel-lines.
With E5 not many use that these days.

I think this is the same old story that we saw then moving from leaded to unleaded. As long as you are aware that your motorcycle shouldn't use E10 for whatever reason you're fine.

 

Yeah, you're fine...until they take away the E5 (strangely, just like they did with leaded petrol!)

 

So when are they planning to phase e5 out in the UK?

 

...by 2025 and net zero by 2050.

 

Well its a while to 2025, if it does have the effect that people claim on motorcycles and cars I'm sure it will be around for a while longer or replaced with something else.

 

??...that's only four years!! & yes, it will/is being replaced with something...electric vehicles! Had you really not noticed? For anyone who enjoys classic bikes or cars (& by classic I mean ALL with an internal combustion engine) that's some cold comfort

 

I love that we get EVs, its the future. Can't wait to be honest, but it doesn't mean we won't have some classic fossil fuel bikes and cars that will be used.
If we can find a way to run them somewhat cleaner (without destroying them) I'm all for it.
If E10 has that effect on a few classic cars and motorcycles it needs to be addressed and solved.
If we can fly to Mars..I'm sure we can solve this too

 

I admire your optimism

 

Well, these days we need to try and not let things get us down or more so, assume things will in the future.

I do think we will see synthetic-fuels taking over in the future, not as a future fuel source but to run our old vehicles on.
Its not just about what comes out the exhaust pipe its the whole production chain that needs to be environmental and climate friendly.
We will be stuck with fossil engines for a lot longer so we need to find a better way to run them than we to today...

 

I don't think e10 will be a problem with regularly used modern bikes.
I have a couple of 1960's vehicles which have been no problem with e5 so l will continue with it for as long as I can.
I believe there are fuel stabilizers which will help, but I understand it is the water absorption issue that is the main concern.

 

We have a lot of E10 in France already. Since 2017 the SP95-E10 is the most sold.
No real change on the performance. So far the fuel don't stay for months in the Sprint plastic tank, it's ok.

 

We had it in Australia for a few years but people quickly worked out the money you save per litre is lost with it burning more per Km. It does smell a bit like vodka, which is nice but not nice enough.

 

Been using e10 for years. No issues so far.

 

Was at my local petrolstation (Gulf) to fill up the car, saw that they have a new octane type called 102 (102 Octane) without ethanol so thought I'd give it a try to see if I notice any difference on fuel consumption (or maybe performance).

Started to fill the car up and had a look at the pump where it said €3 a litre.... (normal in sweden would be around 1,50).

Luckily I only filled about 10 litres...
Might give it a try on the Speed Triple, filling the car up with 50 litres of 102 juice is a bit to much for a test.

 

Makes very little performance difference, it's a "knock" (pre-ignition) rating. So unless you have a really high compression ratio engine, with knock sensors that retard the ignition timing, not much difference.

 

Yea, that's what i read too. But I also remember reading that higher octane affects fuel consumption in a car magazine many years ago. The test showed that filling the car with 98 or 95 doesn't make much difference moneywise as the car consumes less fuel with 98 octane.

The test below is 87 vs 93, but shows that it depends very much on the type of engine.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a28565486/honda-cr-v-vs-bmw-m5-ford-f-150-dodge-charger/

 

I filled up my Honda VFR this lunchtime at a certain well known supermarket filling station on the outskirts of York. I was suprised to see the standard unleaded pump was branded as having E10 already. I didn't think it was being rolled out until September,, so I fuelled up with the Super unleaded (E5) instead.