I seem to remember that a republican did the same thing the other day to the Capitol Hill protestors. a quick look at lesson shows that the clenched fist salute goes across many groups so much more universal than just for black power. I’m sure you will agree that the sieg hiel is much more offensive?
Selectively offensive,that’s a good one,fascist/right wing offensive gestures more offensive than left wing gestures. Can anyone suggest a suitable statue I could topple to vent my outrage please?
Since we are affiliating ' salutes' then judging them in the balance of things the clenched fist when affiliated with left /right wing black power, is massively less offence than the Nazi salute from the right/ left wing German Socialist party.
I’m not aware of the clenched fist salute being illegal in any country whereas the seig hiel salute is. looks like nation states agree with the offence caused. Makes your response look a bit silly eh! as for the statues I’m sure there are plenty to pick on, I would guess the most celebrated anti facist in the UK would be Winston Churchill. You could start with his.
Unlike many here,I don’t take offence that easily despite insinuation to the contrary. In my opinion,all political gestures or hand signals are naff,so picking out specific gestures points to an agenda that doesn’t interest me. Biden has skeletons in the closet,whether they come out,I don’t know,will he be better than Trump?hopefully. But I’m not holding my breath,more interested in what’s going on in Europe and Iran.
My final contribution to this particular subject. All of these salutes can be taken as offensive and inflamatory, depending on which side of the argument one takes. Or they can be taken as a token of support for a particular side. Note that the Capitol Hill individual is using his left arm, maybe deliberately, maybe not.
I am currently watching the continuing Inauguration Day coverage here in the United State and for the 4th or 5th or 6th time today, I am crying. Not tears of sadness but tears of hope and relief and possibility. Four years ago on this date I woke up to the reality that Donald J. Trump had been elected President of the United States and I cried my eyes out. Those tears four years ago were tears of dismay and fear about our country and our future. And when I went to work that day, I kid you not, everyone that I worked with at my school that day was wearing black. As some of you have read in other posts of mine, on the day that I read in our newspaper that Trump was running for president, I turned to Mr. Sandi and said, "You know why Trump is running for president, don't you?? Because we don't have a monarchy or a dictatorship. The presidency is as close as he can get." But when I woke up to learn that, yes, Trump had indeed won the election, I gave myself a good shake and decided that I'd give Trump a chance and focus on the hope that all would be fine. I didn't question the election or storm the capitol. Well, all wasn't fine. Most of those of you who are posting on this thread who appear to think Trump has been ok don't live here. Aren't Americans. Haven't lived through this hellish and surreal and "reality TV series" last four years. I have been embarrassed to be an American on more occasions than I can even count. Day by day, month by month, year by year we Americans have been desensitized to Trump's disrespectful, divisive, and damaging words and actions. Well, no more. Today I feel many things upon the departure of Donald Trump and the inauguration of Joe Biden. Relief. Encouragement. Hope. Pride in my country. Even joy. I don't think I've yet figured out all the things that I've felt--and thought--today. Sadly, I woke up this morning worried that crazed Trump supporters would storm Washington or assassinate Biden or Harris or that something horrible would transpire in light of the events of January 6th. And I purposely say Trump supporters because his "fans" as he calls them are cult-like. They are Republicans in name only. Their fealty is to a man and not to a nation or the principles of democracy. As this day has progressed, I've felt more and more relieved, hopeful, proud of America, and proud to be an American. As a woman, I am thrilled that for the first time my country's history, a woman--and a black woman at that--is finally in a position like the Vice President of the United States. As I did when Joe Biden was sworn in, I cried when Kamala Harris was sworn in. Maybe now little girls will actually believe what they've been told--as I was--that anyone can grow up to be President of the United States. Until now, I really didn't believe it. You may agree or disagree with me. That's your right and you're certainly entitled to your opinion as are we all. But as an American, I've not been "looking in" as Trump as wreaked havoc on our democracy. I have lived it. What I've written here represents my opinion and, even more importantly to me, it reflects what America and being an American means to me. And if you've managed to read through this whole long post, thank you for listening (er, reading) whether you agree or not.
It's your trademark to consider all the ones you think having opposite view need to answer about everything you are against? Strange process..
@Sandi T. thank you for such a heartfelt post. I think the majority of Americans are breathing a sigh of relief that it’s over, for now at least. Strange how you can almost feel the anger dissipate. Flames need air to grow, and Trump was a giant bellows, making the fire grow and get hotter. I’m sure we will see none of that from President Biden. I don’t always agree with either side, but no other President has made Americans feel like they had to choose sides like Trump. As an Independent I can’t explain how uncomfortable that made me feel. I look forward to a calmer next four years. Cheers
Trump clearly plans to come back in 4 years, will probably create his own media. As more and more eminent GOP members are turning away from Trump, he will maybe create his own party. Interesting to see how US democracy will face that.