Corona Virus

Ah,so that’s what Hubaxe looks like

 

and now we have one spinning in circles with the same old stuff, and the other one starting some french bashing

Here we are.

 

yes that was the goal, thanks for pointing that

Genius

 

Natural selection in virus’, as is well understood, is a tendency to greater transmissibility and lower infective effect. Mutant ninja nonsense suggesting it works the other way. It’s why they fade away until a new strain emerges where humans have lower immunity. The SE Asia pandemic shows clear prior immunity from the 2002-4 SARS outbreak.

 

So we’re being “told” we have new strains when in fact they’re mutations.

 

Speaking personally I have no faith in this bunch of politicians, for many reasons. And at no stage did I ever believe that this would be over in 3 weeks or indeed even in 2020.

And I have a business employing 35 people which was completely closed in the first lockdown and is suffering again.

But on balance I have faith that the likes of Whitty, Vallance, JVT, Edmunds, Ferguson and many other health professionals and scientists (including respiratory specialists) understand and think carefully about the issues raised by the deniers including the potential for significant inaccuracies in PCR tests, and believe that what they are doing is correct. What makes you think “they won’t engage with respiratory specialists”? Seriously?

The trouble with the conspiracy theory world is that once you join the roundabout you can never get off. It’s like the Hotel California, and you are the embodiment of it Cal, an intelligent and incredibly well read man who cannot accept, no matter what happens, that a pet theory that has some element of truth in it and raises important issues - as Yeadon’s false positives theory does - is just one piece in a complicated jigsaw and not, in isolation, the Holy Grail.

Yeadon’s original article was a criticism of Pillar 2 testing, ie community testing in car parks and similar, and not a critique of Pillar 1 (hospital) testing. It is a simple fact of mathematics that, as the underlying rate of actual infections increases, the rate of false positives reduces and that the output statistics become more reliable (certainly in terms of trends).

You yourself have argued on here that positive tests are meaningless unless they are accompanied by signs and symptoms. Well admissions to hospital “with COVID” are rising rapidly, ICU admissions “with COVID” are rising rapidly, and deaths “with COVID” are rising rapidly. I suspect that hospital admissions without signs and symptoms are rare, that ICU admissions without signs and symptoms are even rarer, and that deaths without signs and symptoms are unheard of.

And yet still you seem to support and propagate the views of Dr Yeadon, a man who insists that there can’t be a second wave because the first one burnt out once we reached a point of herd immunity.

Fair enough, you have read on the subject much more widely than most and maybe all of us, and you are obviously convinced by something (though what I’m not sure exactly what). But just because you want to believe it, it doesn’t automatically follow that those of us whose investigations and judgement has led us to other conclusions (including uncertainty) are lacking in curiosity, wisdom or integrity.

 

Except I don’t see it as a conspiracy per se. Incompetents, venality and a certain power crazing with multiple different motives.

The pathologists aren’t seeing your second wave beyond the normal blip as a new virus slips from epidemic to endemic seasonal.

Here’s your ambulance call outs

 

Wrong again.
Lockdown drastically reduced seasonal infection spreading. Despite that more death.. Next.
And please always source the curve you drop, otherwise we could think you get that from random twitter bull... stuff.

 

Not sure if Hubaxe is familiar with


An old comedy played out in a cafe in occupied France where all nationalities are lampooned as stereotypes and Officer Crabtree is an undercover British agent who speaks execrable Franglais.

 

Yes I know that, it's great. Really I work with english workmates for 2 decades, so..

 

10M British ‘essential workers’ still outwith lockdown. You talk and deny but never add an iota of contradictory evidence. Nul points!

 

And the data is ALL official UK Emergency service sourced...... I don’t use some grenier keyboard warrior!!

 

Wrong again, yes workers are out of lockdown, they now use safety process they didn't past years, now have to wear mask, clean tools/computer/whatever you like with anti virus solution. That also contributed to reduce seasonal infections.
So you don't get the point.

 

you say that.. you said a lot, and... we all know..

 

Interesting to see you mentioned having faith in Ferguson,
do you see pigs flying or dancing unicorns as well?

 

Apparently the German tv people loved it but were unable to voice over and screen it due to national ‘sensibilities’.

 

Pigs? Nah. He had thousands needlessly slaughtered with plenty other livestock. My vet Dad ran a chunk of the ‘67 Foot & Mouth outbreak in Cheshire. He raged at their more recent epidemiological incompetence but the State Veterinary Service was taken as a peace dividend now we have experts like SAGE.

 

Interesting, I'll ask about, one of my 35 year friend is german. We often discuss the impact of blockbusters with nazi etc, even for comedy. The new generation is not responsible at all of the past, but they still have this "thing" over their head

 

A pig with a unicorn would be a great wrestling costume !! Tom you are brilliant! You explain jokes, etc etc.. let's be friend.

 

Did you read Ferguson's interviw with the Times.

https://archive.vn/Kq3ih

(The original is behind a paywall.)

Some quotes...
“Of course we knew it was possible that social distancing could control a respiratory virus, but there is an enormous cost associated with it.”

Back in 2019, about the time someone was having bat soup, no European country’s pandemic plans seriously entertained the prospect of putting a country on pause. Then, that’s what China did. “I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March,” Professor Ferguson says.

Professor Ferguson, 52, did not start as an epidemiologist. He studied for a PhD in physics at Oxford... “I didn’t even do biology O-level."...

...the question history could well ask of Britain, why did we not lock down sooner? In January, members of SAGE, the government’s scientific advisory group, had watched as China enacted this innovative intervention in pandemic control that was also a medieval intervention. “They claimed to have flattened the curve. I was sceptical at first. I thought it was a massive cover-up by the Chinese. But as the data accrued it became clear it was an effective policy.”
Then, as infections seeded across the world... Sage debated whether, nevertheless, it would be effective here. “It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought, and then Italy did it, and we realised we could.”