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By the way, 15k truckers tested at Manston using lateral flow test. The handful of positives were consistent with.......the know false positive rate of the test.

 

So then Cal, what exactly is wrong with FullFact?

1 You state that it “struggled 3x to meet its charitable purpose” which is actually meaningless. Do you rather mean that it had to apply three times before it succeeded in achieving charitable status, each time amending its objectives in order to satisfy the Charity Commission? Nothing too exciting in that.

2 “owned by a Tory donor”. As it’s a charity “ownership”is rather an immaterial concept. And in any event why would the Chair being a Tory donor somehow disqualify its objectivity?

3 being staffed by journalists is probably what anyone sensible would choose for a fact-checking organisation. Not all “fake news” is scientific you know.

Instead of shooting the messenger (whether me or FullFact) why not address the message, namely that the claims made by Yeadon and Cummings about the first wave are just hocus-pocus?

 

Post #125 in this thread.
“Just 50 confirmed diagnoses in England & Wales for Covid 19 last week as a notifiable disease v. thousands of of publicised but ultimately meaningless +ve PCR tests.”

To be clear what you pointed out was discrepancies between widely reported NHS data (backed up, as anyone following the news can see, by hospitals creaking at the seams with COVID cases) and a particular less-widely reported piece of NHS data which doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

 

Try PHE’s own website. The annotation is THEIRS! If you can’t see the difference between the data and the narrative try Specsavers. Yeadon is substantially correct and our hospitals are below 2019 occupancy levels but we have many staff isolating for no good reason. PCR ‘cases’ are overwhelmingly false and asymptomatic spread is 99.9% myth.

 

Here’s your overrun hospitals. NHS figures

 

Conspi Cal is back with his weird sourced docs.
I just open the newspaper and look at the number of death, compared to the same last year. .. But I think that was not the purpose of the original thread.

 

NHS and PHE figures can hardly be classed as weirdly sourced.

 

Not mentioned. And interpretation made is completely biaised.

Allegations of pcr fail rate are note proved and are just dropped liked that.
Just compâre death numbers between years,and there are no discussion.
Explain me why funerals cie are overloaded more than ever? That's not on twitter, but real life experience.

 

Not mentioned. And interpretation made is completely biased.

Allegations of pcr fail rate are note proved and are just dropped liked that.
Just compare death numbers between years,and there are no discussion.
Explain me why funerals cie are overloaded more than ever? That's not on twitter, but real life experience.

 

Keep burying your head in the sand and please don't inhale..................

 

Typical conspi quote.

 

I see Officer Crabtree pooped back

I quote bare official UK statistics without interpretation and I am a conspiracy theorist. Furthermore the PCR test for Covid is under assault everywhere from courts to academia.
https://cormandrostenreview.com/retraction-request-letter-to-eurosurveillance-editorial-board/

Coming from Crabtree I take all adverse comment as a badge of honour.

 

A reasonable article from HuffPost plus a couple the graphs

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...ons-christmas-nhs_uk_5fead86ec5b6e1ce833c2515

First up estimate of cases at beginning of pandemic v cases now



And then a graph of hospitalisations

 

So the first graph seems to say there are less cases in this spike, but the second graph shows more hospitalisations?

Is this because fewer are dying due to improved understanding and therefore treatment?

And does it matter if the PCR testing is inaccurate or not - the graph of hospitalisations shows an increase and that’s a quantifiable objective fact!

 

I don’t buy it. The rise in ‘cases’ mirrors the supposed increase in testing. The ‘laboratories’ so described are little more than portacabins processing thousands of swabs and employing mostly unskilled ‘technicians’ in less than aseptic conditions. Your Huffpost journalist probably never left their workstation.

I have little doubt this is a rinse & repeat
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

It doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Covid has largely blown through but there is still face to be saved and money made.

 

The thing is Cal the first graph is showing in the first wave the estimated average infections was in excess of 150,000 to 250,000 per day whereas of yesterday with possible flawed PCR testing it is 50,000 to 100,000

Which means this spike is of lesser effect than the first wave

If we then add back the difference in mortality between the two (around 1,000 per day v 300 per day now) over a two week time period there would be 9,800 fewer hospitalisations now (because they’d have dropped off their perch by now) so we would then compare 18,974 in April to 10,628 now for hospitalisations

So definitely at the moment we are nowhere near where we were in April - however whether the virus has blown through only time will tell

Also noticed Mr Hancock is making another announcement about tiers tomorrow, can he add 5 and 6 ??????

 

Except you are back to the PCR ‘test’. These are not all symptomatic cases with people ill from Covid but rather people admitted for other reasons whose tests show up positive. You will also find many of these later admissions counted twice because they are admitted (admission 1) get tested and come up positive and bingo! (2nd admission, same patient, never left hospital). The numbers just don’t stand up to inspection when you also consider how little testing there was in the spring.

It’s the old lies, damn lies & statistics. If the NHS isn’t coping it has more to do with absentee staff. The police just switched off their tracing apps!

 

Just to clarify the second graph I posted is hospitalisations not deaths - my supposition is that due to better treatment more people are in hospital being treated for longer and therefore the hospitalisation figure now being higher than in April is a good thing because more people are being successfully treated

The current daily death rate is. Around 300 - 350 per day whereas in April it was in excess of 1,000

 

A flavour of BBC disinformation

https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1343841244049498113?s=21

5 Live broadcasting uncritically an interview with someone who can’t be found on the nursing register talking unmitigated **** to the embarrassment of real clinicians. Meanwhile a Birmingham hospital (UK not Alabama) reports light loading but staff absences......

The Twitter account belongs to a highly sceptical pathologist. The irony is all hers.

BTW, noticed the ‘new’ virus strain isn’t actually new, that it’s ‘mutant’ not a mutation (scarier!) but no one mentions natural selection at work. A virus that kills its host propagates less well than one that spreads better but is less deadly. It’s what they do......