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  1. andypandy

    andypandy Crème de la Crème

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    Where are you getting this 80% from ?
    Is it your guess ?
    Are there published and verified figures to support this ?
     
  2. Callumity

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  3. figwold

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    Did you ever find the man on the grassy knoll btw?
     
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  4. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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  5. figwold

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    I don’t think I’ll live long enough to watch all these James. What’s the short version?
     
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  6. Rich Bryce

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    Try this one James. A real qualified ICU doctor debunking the pseudoscience quackery of the unqualified Ivor Cummins.
     
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  7. Rooster

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    Mr one sided argument strikes again. Publishing half the information as usual.

    The documents revealed that two people who received the experimental vaccine had died during the trial. Four others who died were on a placebo.

    “All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups where they occurred, at a similar rate,” the report said.
     
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  8. MARKYMARKTHREE

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    How very dare you, coming on here with full information and stuff. Were not used to that. ;)
     
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  9. Callumity

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    #89 Callumity, Dec 9, 2020
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    Not that you’ll bother watching but


    pretty comprehensively dismantles the Pimenta arguments supported by authorities far more eminent than a junior cardiologist. Besides, Dr Pimenta is busy selling a book and seems more interested in a career in public advocacy of some kind than a return to full time clinical work. Cummins is more in the nature of a technical librarian and data analyst for multiple specialists......so he’s really about ‘what the evidence supports’. His collaborators are a kind of kitemark. Pimenta doesn’t really have any.

    All down to informed choice about what you want to believe.

    Edit: Forgot to mention the derivation of the 80% immunity is explained and substantiated in there
     
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  10. andypandy

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    Challenging ? Not at all. Can't be arsed to be honest.
    It seems to be fairly easy to pick some so called expert off the internet who supports your own view. I will stick with my own life experiences and limited medical knowledge. I remember a yearly death figure being quoted by a doctor due to anti-biotics and i'm sure that figure would shock a lot of people, it surprised me at the time. Some people refuse to take the seasonal flu vac but i've been taking it for twenty years without any problems.
    Lifes experiences and a bit of knowledge mixed with a bit of common sense beats listening to "experts" on the internet.
     
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  11. Callumity

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    Or these two and their hostage...

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  12. figwold

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    Reminds me of this ...is it by the same people?

     
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  13. andypandy

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    The Undertakers and the Buffoon.
     
  14. Callumity

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  15. Callumity

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    It might be funny if it wasn’t serious.
     
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  17. Callumity

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    My sole issue is the haste. The epidemic has moved on. The politicians and pharma not so much. Fig leaves and money.
     
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  18. tcbandituk

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    Seems like it's fairly limited and expected.
    "Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenalin pens around with them."
    "Reactions like this are uncommon, but do happen with other vaccines, including the annual flu jab."
     
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  19. learningtofly

    learningtofly He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!
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    Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for the NHS in England, said both individuals are recovering well.

    "As is common with new vaccines, the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely," he said.

    Sounds reasonable enough, and SOP from what I can see. No need to sensationalise it.
     
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  20. learningtofly

    learningtofly He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!
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    I thought you were doing so - apologies if I misread your post.
     
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