I’m not particularly interested in your opinions on if Brexit was the right or wrong thing... but does anyone else get the feeling that all this “razzmatazz” about the current state of Brexit talks is just flannel, and that the deal is being played up to a state of frenzy so that the politicians on either side will find it easier to sell the compromises they have agreed to when they go home?
It is being dragged on I have to agree, and I don't doubt it adds to the mutual benefit of the politicians involved and raises the sense of feelings across there subjects, So that's a yes from me,
Clearly a lot of theatre, as both sides need to present a victory. Macron has a bit to answer for though, seemingly.
I think you're spot on there @DCS222 . I'm sure both sides know it would be plain stupid not to have a deal and the EU is noted for going to the wire anyway. As for Macron, he can be as petulant as he likes but in the end he'll dance to Angela's tune and he knows it.
I went to a lecture once given by a guy on the negotiating team to end the miners strike in the 70’s. he told us the final settlement was reached a couple of months before it was made public. The two month delay was agreeing how to save face. So it would not surprise me if a Brexit deal has been done and dusted and now they are working out how to present it to minimise the backlash.
The remaining three issues are IMO classic highly emotive, but pragmatically not that big a deal Fishing rights - reality is 0.1% of UK economy and employs 12,000 people - more than double that number will be made redundant when Debenhams and Arcadia went into receivership last week Completion rules - are pretty much aligned anyway Who has jurisdiction- UK and EU legal systems are pretty much aligned anyway so a joint body may not be unreasonable I think a deal will miraculously materialise at the 11th hour - the big big issue for UK will be that if no agreement is made then exporters will have to start paying tariffs at EU ports of entry (and a million and one other administrative problems that I won’t bore you with)
It is a hard one to call. Whilst I hope a deal is done, I don’t think it should be at the expense of giving away our sovereignty
No deal is what I voted for. Anything else is a sell out. If they want to sell their shit here, they'll do what we tell them, no tarrifs and no bullshit. Any crap from them and take the ball home AND roll up the pitch.
Not this thread again!!! As many of you know I was (and am) anti-Brexit, but now we have left it seems pointless if we don’t have control of our own destiny, at least to start with. It seemed like a deal was there for grasping a couple of days ago, until Macron forced the EU to come up with some ridiculous last minute demands. Apparently whilst insisting we sign up to their state aid rules they themselves want to be able to opt-out of them, and then there is fishing. Economically rather irrelevant, but politically toxic on both sides. A deal may still be achievable, but to be honest at this point I sort of hope we don’t concede to Macron. It’s bad enough that we’re losing the rugby to their under20s
We never did give up our sovereignty. Neither did any other EU member. It's all deals and compromises, in or out.
I strongly disagree with you there but i'm not going to argue here as it's all been done to death before. Next time we meet up for a ride i'm just going to give you a massive kick in the bollocks and then run like hell.
Brexit was overwhelmingly about sovereignty. The negotiations since have demonstrated why - the underlying attitude from people we were told to call partners rather than neighbours. And they still expect to hang on to a chunk of our back garden..... I just hope, even now, that mature reflection can pull common sense and mutual benefit out of the fire but there appear to be some determined to give us a kicking without regard to how it will damage their feet. One of them wears lifts in his Jimmy Choos.
It isn’t that thread again though... whilst I recognise the difficulties tap-dancing around a sensitive subject (especially given the forum’s penchant for thread diversions). I’m not interested in the rights and wrongs of Brexit... rather the actions of a group of high powered political knobs when in the position of selling a “deal” to the masses which contains compromises. I particularly like @Rooster input, that’s exactly what I feel is happening here (based on nothing more substantial than gut feeling) When you said “ Economically rather irrelevant, but politically toxic on both sides.” That’s kinda why I feel they’re playing games..
Gotta disagree with this originally the common market was about trade relations but very soon went off track ‘Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies.’ The above definition certainly doesn’t apply to where we were! We’re just going to have different outside influences now
And, no doubt, that is what is happening with Covid. Saving face is just the start of the REAL bullshit.
