Corona Virus

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  1. DCS222

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    Yeah, sorry about that... I should have concentrated on Starmer as the opposition leader... but he seems to be a bit of a no show atm... o_O
     
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    Here’s the nub of it. The PCR test designed to run at 20-40 cycles is being run at 45 to detect odd strings of RNA (not DNA). The accuracy of the test in finding active infections as opposed to the shedding of dead virus is therefore pretty suspect. A positive test is called a ‘case’ when it is anything but. The solid evidence I.e. volumes of asymptomatic ‘cases’ and much, much lower rates of hospitalisation (3 out of 70k students and zero deaths. The average age of fatalities is 82) invites two rational conclusions:

    Recent testing volumes may well be revealing far greater penetration of the population than previously suspected
    That the under 50s have few risks and the risk rises with age - like all respiratory disease.

    We know far more now than we did 6 months ago and the scientific evidence we have neither supports lockdown nor other draconian responses to something we cannot control nor really slow. ‘Cases’ (that word!) have gone UP in lockdown areas. Oh but they would be far worse if we did nothing....... except there is more to death than just Covid.

    We have authoritarian politicians (having terrified their populations) clueless how to climb down from their adopted positions supported by modellers in denial of hard won, hard evidence and pharmaceutical businesses eager to profit. Oh yes, Astra Zeneca’s contract allows them to declare ‘end of pandemic’ (in Jul 2021?) and whack the price up. We know Europe was scammed over Swine Flu vaccine......meanwhile, when the dust settles, Imperial College seems to habitually multiply everything by 12.
     
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    For the non readers!

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    I have a friend of 85 odd who lives in Penarth. Four weeks ago, his wife who has COPD, couldn't get out of bed as one leg was not working. Lionel managed to get her to the bathroom in the flat where they live using the wheelchair to use the toilet but she unfortunately collapsed like a dead weight trying to get back into it. Lionel put his back out getting her back into the chair. A health visitor said that she didn't like the look of things and so Carol was taken to hospital. Due to COVID, Lionel has not been able to see his wife for four weeks, cannot get to see a consultant about the underlying issues and prognosis and his only contact is with nurses who can report on comfort issues but cannot partake in the depth of talk required for somebody who may be reaching the end of her life. One of her legs has not moved for three and half weeks and his only contact with her is a four minute (maximum) call before she gets too weak and drifts away. Can you imagine the anguish he must be feeling at not being able to see her at this stage in her life. Surely she could be wheeled down to a covered area outside so that they may at least meet and talk. It just seems so cruel for two people who have contributed so much to society to be treated this way. Is this the best we can do? Damn COVID 19. What do we do, raise a petition, contact an MP?
     
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  7. DCS222

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    Can you do that graph for England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Sweden and Norway?
     
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    What a tragic story..
     
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    Do it yourself! I don’t think there is any material differences between the Home Nations and Norway and other European lockdown nations. Baselined to population sizes Sweden and South Dakota have a story to tell about the futility of lockdowns v. sensible precautions that slow the inevitable without focusing on one disease to the exclusion of every other medical condition and day to day life, economics etc., etc.
     
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    How old were they? Threat perception matters. Latest English death numbers. Only 1 under 40 pre-existing condition. Overwhelmingly a threat to the over 65s with other issues.

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    Cumulative numbers of deaths per 100.000 inhabitants, Nordic countries. As you may know, Sweden never had a lockdown.

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    Source? Far too much suspect data being used rather than excess deaths over historical averages. Context is everything.
     
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  15. MadMrB

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    If you assume an average death rate for the remaining 3 months of the year, then Sweden's projected total deaths for the year would be approx 94,000 which would be about 2000 more deaths than in 2018.

    With a population of 10,099,265 that increase over 2018 is about 0.019% of population.
     
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  16. MadMrB

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    If you think the Covid-19 virus is bad, better look away now...

    This what the UN is predicting for the UK, and does not include Covid-19, 2050 onwards doesn't look great o_O:worried:

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  17. Callumity

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    Presumably based on population age profile? Europe is ageing less recent immigrants.

    Meanwhile the official UK narrative is about hospital admissions increasing. I mean, at this time of year? Who would have believed it (apart from undertakers)?
     
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  18. Thripster

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    #1958 Thripster, Oct 8, 2020
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    I'm being a bit slow in here but the label for the top graph shows deaths per 1000 people but then plots a line at about 11500?

    Think it means 11.5? Sorry Mr B......I misread the Y axis figures
     
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  19. MadMrB

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    It's 11.5
     
  20. Callumity

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    Point not comma!
     
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