1964 Primary Cover Leak

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  1. maritimesbob

    maritimesbob New Member

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    I have a friend who has a 64 Bonneville. It leaks pretty badly from the primary cover at the top through the gasket, even when sat idling it almost squirts out. I have attached a photo where the oil is coming through.

    I don't know a lot about these bikes. Inside the primary there should be very little oil, just enough to lube things up, unlike Harleys that are bathed on primary oil?

    Just trying to understand how this works. If yes, then what can I be looking for that could be causing the primary to be filling up like this. A leaking crank seal, something else?

    Also, can the gaiters be squeezed over from the bottom over the fender mounts, is there enough to stretch it over or is it forks off?

    Thank you.

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  2. Cupoftea

    Cupoftea Noble Member

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    Not being familiar with this model, my suspicion would be a seal as it does sound a lot of oil in there.
    Has the primary been drained to see how much is in there, a bit of a worry if the engine is getting starved!
    Thoughts on the fork gaiters, it either will by the stretch of the rubber or the obvious. If you make a plastic tube to go over the fork then try the rubber on that and push it on. But I feel its a fork off.
     
  3. maritimesbob

    maritimesbob New Member

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    Took the cover off, that corner of the gasket was perished. I noticed the tiny bit of oil in there was severely mixed with fuel. The area where the oil/petrol was seeping out corresponded with a small hole in the crank case, I assume this is for misting the chain, but not only misting the chain it was spraying up and through the perished gasket.

    Which confused me as I thought older Bonnies used a seperate primary oil, with no small holes in the crankcase to share the motor oil?
     
  4. Rocker

    Rocker Elite Member

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    As I recall the hole is not to share oil but the engine breather which breaths through the primary with a pipe at the top of the case check this not blocked as there should be no pressure in primary case
     
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  5. darkman

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    Early engines should have a seal on the crank and no holes between primary and crankcase as they are timed breather, only 70 on engines had no seal and 3 breather holes as engine breathes through primary case.
    You can fit new fork gaiters by just removing the wheel and mudguard :)
     
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  6. Brixton Steve

    Brixton Steve Member

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    If memory serves there's supposed to be oil getting flung about and the gasket has failed right above clutch plate housing which is spinning in oil at bottom of primary casing. There's bound to be oil flung about inside casing. Get, or make another gasket. Buy yourself special tool 001 it should have come as standard, a Drip Tray. All joking aside, dont like the sound of petrol in the casing.
     
  7. maritimesbob

    maritimesbob New Member

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    As it happens I replaced the gasket last week. Leaking is resolved, however the concern with so much fuel in the primary remains. There was also a very fuel mixed oil in the crankcase too. Need to investigate this further. It was all drained, flushed and refilled again with 20/50. Will check the oil again in a week.

    The primary chain tensioner was broken so it was good that the primary cover was removed. With that replaced, the shifting is significantly quieter!!
     
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  8. Rocker

    Rocker Elite Member

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    An over rich mixture can find its way to the crankcase which washes the bores causing the honing on the bore to wear leading to a smokey engine
     
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