The Trophy Might (Will) Have To Go

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  1. BonnieCat

    BonnieCat Crème de la Crème

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    I bought my Trophy SE in 2013 and it's still only got 6000kms on the clock. It's a lovely bike BUT
    the weight of it now getting too much for me. Riding it is fine but moving 300kgs when it's stationery is almost impossible for my back and legs. So I've been looking around for a replacement and as I like Triumphs I'm thinking about the Triumph Tiger 800. This is 100kgs lighter than the Trophy and if I get the XRT or XCA then I can get a lot of the toys I currently have on the Trophy.
    Does anyone have either XRT or XCA and could give me some feedback on what they are like. Any recalls or issues to be wary about. I'm still undecided about if I want the road biased XRT or the XCA.
    Can the XRT cope with moderate rough terrain. I'm thinking of a big trip to Norway (Arctic Circle) coming back through Finland/Denmark (subject to still being unemployed) so want a bike which can handle the trip.
    Thanks for any feedback you guys can give me.

    Nikki
     
  2. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Nikki, sorry to hear the Trophy is becoming a bit of a burden.

    The Tiger 800 range is a superb set of bikes, in my opinion. To put things in perspective the XR various models are predominantly road biased. But that doesn't mean that you couldn't fit dual purpose tyres to do of road work such as forest trails.

    My favorite is the XRX because it has great mechanicals, excellent std. spec including comfort seats and cruise control - it is a truly great bike.

    The XC range is slightly more off-road orientated with longer travel suspension and wire wheels, but in my opinion you really need to do lots of proper off-roading to benefit from the extra costs involved.

    The XRX is just such a cracking bike - did I mention that? If you want/need panniers and stuff they do a package.
     
  3. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Sorry to hear that Nikki, I had a test ride on an xc and found it an absolutely fantastic bike beautiful engine a joy to ride, the only problem I had was the height, even with the seat on the lower setting, the xr's are slightly lower and they do actually do a low version now. I've sat on one and my feet are flat on the ground with slight knee bend, I'm around 5'10-11". I couldn't afford the new version and just went with the 800 not got the gizmos but I love it! Definitely go and test ride!
     
  4. BonnieCat

    BonnieCat Crème de la Crème

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    Thanks for all your insights and info guys. That video was awesome and demonstrates that the road version can cope with the types of roads I'd be travelling on. I would get the low seat version but I'd like the XRT with all the goodies on it providing the dealer gives me a reasonable part X on the Trophy. I have 2 dealers fairly close to me so I'll be going there possibly tomorrow. I'll let you know how this progresses.

    Cheers
    Nikki
     
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  5. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Good luck!
     
  6. steve lovatt

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    Go for it Nikki - I've just bought the Xrx after test riding that and the XCx. I preferred the road going bias of the XR and the XC felt just a tad too tall for me. Should have no problem with the weight after the Trophy.
    I added the fog lamps - which are superb - and I think come standard along with heated grips on the XRT but apart from that the XRx has enough toys for me!
     
  7. BonnieCat

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    I think the Trophy doesn't want to leave me. Washed it this morning and hosed it down with cold water (just normal tap pressure not pressure wash) prior to going to the Triumph dealer and now the bloody thing won't start. The screen is stuck up, and some things are on like the lights and the radio, but when I try the starter sometimes it clicks and sometimes it's dead.
    We checked the voltage with a meter and the battery shows 11.5 volts with everything off. Is this too low ???

    The battery is now on the charger - do you think the battery is knackered. It's a Yuasa battery and is the original (bike is from 2013).

    I took the bike out a couple of weeks ago and it started up just fine. Took it for about a 40km ride and today was the first time since then I've tried it.

    Thanks for any advice you can give guys

    Nikki
     
  8. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Nikki, a good condition battery should show about 12.7 volts, so yours is way under. The battery is 2-3 years old so there is every chance it'll be dead.

    By all means give it a good charging, but don't be surprised it the charge doesn't hold.

    Have you tried jump starting it from another battery? From your car for example? If you've got jump leads and if you can access the bike's battery easily it would be worth a try. Just don't have the car engine running when you do - there's more than enough juice in the car battery to start the bike.
     
  9. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Hard luck TC, That is so typical!!
    What the BIGLAD says!
     
  10. BonnieCat

    BonnieCat Crème de la Crème

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    Hi Dave/Crispey

    It's definitely the battery after an hour on charge it fired up. So switched it off (big mistake) and went to put my gear on. Then (you guessed it) sat on the bike and tried to start it and it refused again. So I'll leave the battery on charge till Monday or Tuesday and will drop it down the dealers. It's a good job I wasn't using it to catch a ferry or anything.

    I have heard the batteries on the Trophy's can be a bit ropey, I guess it's lasted reasonably well considering.

    Thanks guys.
     
  11. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Just a tiny piece of advice: whenever you're not using your bike,put the battery on a battery charger/conditioner such as the Optimate range. This will not only keep the charge level good but the battery will last longer as a result.

    Obviously this advice applies to all bike batteries, not just the Trophy.
     
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  12. BonnieCat

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    Thanks Dave. Normally the Optimate shares it's time between my old Suzy GS750 and the Virago during the winter months. I think to be fair to the Trophy I probably buggered up the battery myself for not riding it enough.
     
  13. BonnieCat

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    So tomorrow the Trophy goes to the dealer for the new battery and engine management light reset, and I've arranged a test ride on the Tiger 800 XRX.
    And the GS750 with leaky carb is going to another dealer a week on Friday.
    This is an expensive hobby :eek::eek:
     
  14. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    I think/hope you'll be surprised just how good the XRX really is - it's a really comfortable and effective package.
     
  15. steve lovatt

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    I must agree Dave!
     
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  16. cafecruzin

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    of course if you really want the best of the tigers you'd buy a tiger1050 sport
     
  17. BonnieCat

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    So.............
    Firstly the Trophy is now fixed, new battery, latest software upgrade and the engine management light is now off. Yay!!!!

    Well I spent almost an hour on the Tiger XRX. Seat was on its lowest settings and I could get the balls of my feet on the floor - It was torquey, fast and handled well Good news so far.
    The rest is not so good I'm afraid. I thought the seat was a touch on the hard side and the suspension also on the hard side. The screen when I first rode off was awful. The wind was going right into my face, about half way through the hour I adjusted the screen making it better, but still not perfect. But the thing that I really hated about the bike was the gear lever. The throw from first through neutral to second was, in my opinion excessive. Most of the time I kept going into neutral and trying to change up I kept missing the gear. The Trophy is in a different league (sorry to all you Tiger owners). It's just not for me. I can listen to my Ipod adjust the screen on the move and ride all day without getting tired and no missing of gears. After an hour I'd had enough of the Tiger.
    The dealer said I could try the new Tiger Explorer and the Bonnie T120, so we'll see how that goes. I paid 21000 Euros for the Trophy and now three years later he'd only give me 13000 for it so it's lost quite a bit.

    So for now I'm keeping the Trophy I just need to make sure I've plenty of Paracetamols for my back
     
  18. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Well Nikki, you never know 'til you try these bikes -now you know the Tiger 800 won't work for you so that's cleared up that one ;)

    The only criticism I have about the 800 XRX is the screen. I couldn't get it to a position where the turbulence/noise was at an acceptable level. But there after-market screens that DO work.

    Re the comfort of the seat, the model you tested should have been equipped with a 'Comfort' seat and when I rode one it was good, for me, for the full 3 hours I rode the bike.
     
  19. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    That's a shame Nikki, I have the taller screen on my 800 and the wind still cuts across my face so it's visor down, but I don't get much buffeting, although Mrs crispey on the back does. For some strange reason , if I have the seat in the higher position it's great but in the lower position I find it slightly uncomfortable, I have the gel seats, so maybe it's the leg position when in low mode. It's not bad but noticeable! I've heard the madstad screen is the dogs but it's a bit pricey, maybe not!
     
  20. steve lovatt

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    Yeah that is a shame Nikki. The screen is a known issue on these bikes, even allowing for the adjustable one. Biglad and crispey are right regarding after market options - the Madstad screen is the one to go for apparently and there are threads on this forum about this.
    Personally it doesn't bother me too much as I've only ever ridden naked bikes and have no desire to listen to my ipod on the bike. I suppose it depends what you are used to - the Trophy is all about long distance touring and is top of the range in that respect so I guess other bikes may feel less comfortable and lacking a few features.
    Seat shouldn't have been an issue though if you had the comfort seat fitted, which should be standard on the XRx - easily good for a three hour stretch (unlike the Bonnie one!).
    Didn't have any problem with the gear lever on either the test Xrx or the Xrc or my own or my mates Explorer for that matter - this is the best gear change I've had to be fair - slick and precise. Not sure why your test bike would have a problem like that - seems very out of character with the bike as most reviews (and I read a few) had only praise for the gear change.
    On to the next one!
     
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