Triumph To Cut 240 Uk Jobs Due To Covid

I think you have hit the nail right on the head mate....

 

It will serve Triumph right if Norton hire them and gain from their experience.

 

Surely Triumph's announcement is a foreseeable response to a drop in demand??

 

To me it’s partly bad management.

Triumph have put all there eggs into the larger capacity basket, 800cc +.

The majority of manufacturers all make smaller bikes which must help with the cash flow during desperate times.

A bit like British Airways from a few years ago when they saw themselves as a prestige airline and dropped their short haul routes as it didn’t fit into their portfolio,,,bit them in the arse eventually.

 

It is far worse management to ignore your own sales projections in the wake of a global pandemic and plunge into bankruptcy!

Credit them with maybe knowing a little of their marketplace and their finances?

 

Anyone know what the UK employees do? I don't believe they even assemble bikes these days? Maybe they are the tfc people, perhaps r&d? Maybe accountants, marketing and managers?

 

Triumph have entered partnership with Bajaj to exploit the enormous smaller capacity Asian market. They know that selling big bikes in small numbers in Western countries is not enough to sustain them.

 

Did they not announce they are moving the vast majority of work abroad anyway,

 

Isn't most of the RDD done in the UK?

 

Yes they did 3 years ago,and it’s going to be 2022 before the bikes are launched

 

I believe this will be the coffin nail for Triumphs business here in germany. We want british bikes with a british soul!Not chinese, Thai ore other bikees from fareeast....built with low budget ans sold with european high prices! Other manufacturers have a good business with bikes built in Europe...look at BMW, KTM and Ducati.
Triumph is supportet by McKinsey.....and these consultants are looking only for a short time to make money. But longtime thinking with satisfied customers is the better way. I hope all these fired workers will find a good job in the next time!

 

I dunno about that, dreitopf.

Is that the BMW Motarrad that has plants in 14 countries including India and Brazil? That BMW?

The KTM that builds motorbikes in the Philippines? That KTM you mean?

The Ducati that has a final assembly plant in Thailand not far from Triumph’s factories 3, 4, and 5? That Ducati is the one you are talking about? Shoot, Ducati’s Bologna plant is basically a final assembly plant.


The logistics of building a motorcycle with domestic parts is, well, prohibitive except for (ironically) the Chinese, who do not have a reputation for building desirable exotica. China might be the only country in the world where you can buy a bike that was made from domestic parts.

I think if we are going to be realistic about global manufacturing, we need to appreciate the quality of our Triumphs that were conceived in England and built in Thailand. And c’mon, while we might want excellent British built Nitron or Protech shocks, do we really want to go back to Lucas Electrics?

 

This is partly correct.BMW makes 185000 Bikes in a year..155000 in berlin with 2100 workers and 30000 Bikes with the small engines in other coutries. The big nikes are made in germamy.....

 

Have a view at Mr Fillingham's latest, a lot of cogent points and echoing the view @dreitopf

 

Cogent? More speculative than informed. The guy is pure Mogadon and should not be allowed near microphones.

 

Agreed!

I also suspect that he might be a bit of a brand whore, obviously Motone, possibly Fuchs (Silkolene) and Royal Enfield - This is pure speculation on my part, but thats the impression I have formed after watching a few of his videos.

 

He raises some interesting points, in particular about the age of triumph customers. Having said that the globalisation of manufacturing will always see companies moving to where the labour is the cheapest. I hope that triumph can ride the storm over the coming months/years and keep making motorcycles.

 

Motorcycling in developed countries is increasingly a leisure pursuit for the more moneyed and mature not cheap transport for the young whose girlfriends dislike getting wet.

Mr Fillingham’s lobbed comment about ‘charges at Company House’ is about as revealing as me reminding him that anyone with a mortgage will have one at the Land Registry - it is how banks secure commercial loans. A skim of the 2019 accounts shows an additional £63M in year investment in overseas subsidiaries and a comment about ready access to support from the ultimate owners. Everything else in the public domain seems like a rational response to prevailing circumstances not of imminent demise.

 

Located in Brazil, the plant will initially have an output of 10,000 units per annum. At the moment, motorcycles built in Brazil are intended to meet local market demand. In addition to the F 700 GS, the Manaus plant will also produce the F 800 GS, F 800 GS Adventure, F 800 R, R 1200 GS, R 1200 GS Adventure, S 1000 R, S 1000 RR and S 1000 XR.


Apparently 1200 GSs and S1000s are also made in Manaus, Brazil.

I agree with you that no one is questioning BMWs level of quality. But they are not all assembled in Germany, even the big bikes. Which I believe proves the point that it doesn’t matter where your bike is assembled as long as they do a good job of it.

it might, however, matter where you bike was engineered, right?