Scrambler Hi all...new scrambler owner in Surrey!

Discussion in 'Thruxton, Scrambler & Trident' started by MattGaydon, Jun 12, 2015.

  1. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Big lad has tecs and swears by them, I'm looking at upgrading my rears but am waiting til I can disguise the expenditure as something else. I was looking at Hagon 2810's as for the re-map does it need it? If so you would be best losing your lamba or O2 sensors in which case look at TTP here
     
  2. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    #42 thebiglad, Jul 2, 2015
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    With reference to re-mapping : as you know for an engine to work at it's optimum the fuel:air ratio needs to be correct. As you have installed TORS, they are slightly more free-flowing than the std. pipes so this will slightly disturb the fuelling.

    The issue I would suggest you consider is this : do you plan to do any other engine mods that will affect the engine's fuelling? Changes such as : removing the air filter cover 'snorkel'; swapping the std. airfilter for a free-flowing K&N or DNA filter; removal the airbox baffle plate?

    If you do want to do other mods (which WILL affect fuelling) then the re-map should be done at that time, taking into account the total package of changes.

    So the question then arises, are other mods - as per above - worth doing? YES !!!

    Re TEC shocks : I have been quite an advocate for them. I first started out with TEC with their std. cheapy £50 non-reservoir ones which worked well for what I wanted. Then I saw the Gas reservoir style ones and just had to have them - you know how that goes :rolleyes:.

    Initially I was very pleased with them, but on occasions they would bottom out if I had a pillion on-board. It should be noted that I am of the ample girth brigade so my experiences may not apply to the majority of readers.

    Anyhoo, I did a trip to UK recently and was carrying a certain amount of luggage so I wanted to be able to monitor just exactly how much suspension travel I was using, so I decided to install red zip-ties on the chrome piston rod to indicate the travel. I found that I was using almost all the travel - nearly to the bump stop - no matter how much spring pre-load I applied. So the springs were too soft for me.

    When I returned home I swapped the std springs for the Heavy Duty ones supplied when I bought the shocks and this has improved the situation. However I still think that unless I increase the pre-load significantly, the suspension travel is not right. Maybe the spring rates are OK for me now, but the damping is insufficient, I really couldn't say. All I know is that I am considering getting some Hagons.
     
  3. MattGaydon

    MattGaydon Noble Member

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    Thanks for the help guys...it's nice to have somewhere you can get other opinions on this stuff! Think the TEC's will be worth a shot as I'm not going to be carry anything too heavy on the bike...
     
  4. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Hi Matt, here is an eBay link for tecs. Read the description as although on the front page it says thruxton the full description says scrambler. They look like big lads but I don't know if that's a good price or not. I'm sure he'll look and let you know. I think I'd prefer hagons. But that's just personal. Don't take it personally ;-)
     
  5. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Well that's a good way to get brownie points off the missus!
     
  6. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    That is the same seller that operates TEC. Those are the same shocks that I have.
     
  7. MattGaydon

    MattGaydon Noble Member

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    That's what I'm going for I think. They look easy to fit...would a centre stand be enough or would I need an actual bike stand to take the weight off of the rear completely?
     
  8. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Matt, if you are going to replace your std. shocks with ones the same length, the centre stand will be fine. Just replace one side at a time and it'll be perfectly straightforward.

    The other thing to establish - as your bike is a Scrambler - is the stroke of your existing shocks by comparison to any replacement shocks. Your bike should have longer suspension travel, than a std Bonneville.

    The stroke of the shock is the amount of travel the shock permits from fully open to fully compressed. This is not entirely related to the distance between the mounting eyes, especially as it relates to the TEC shocks. These items have screw-in solid ally extenders to achieve the correct eye to mounting eye length (360mm) this DOES NOT increase the stroke or suspension travel of the shock.

    This oddity - stroke versus overall length - is not just related to TEC. If you check the specs carefully on lots of aftermarket shocks the overall length changes but the stroke doesn't.

    I hope I've explained that sufficiently clearly?
     
  9. MattGaydon

    MattGaydon Noble Member

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    I think that makes sense...he says with a confused look on his face!
     
  10. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    I've probably made more of it than needs be, just make sure you get proper Scrambler full length ones, not std. ones with extenders - that would be my advice.
     
  11. MattGaydon

    MattGaydon Noble Member

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    Thanks for the advice!!
     
  12. MattGaydon

    MattGaydon Noble Member

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    Thinking of a Newlands Corner breakfast tomorrow if anyone is about...
     
  13. DADDY LONG LEGS

    DADDY LONG LEGS New Member

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    Hi Matt
    I bought my 2010 Scrambler in January and it already had TOR pipes fitted by the previous owner. I wouldn't have seen the benefit had it not had them fitted. I'm now really pleased that it has. Much louder than standard (silent at the lights and a lovely ack-ack-ack sound as I accelerate away) but not as loud as the Arrow (which you can hear two blocks away) but drivers certainly hear you coming up behind them. If/when I come to replace my pipes I'll go for an Arrow as I'm not overly attached to the standard looking pipes but if you want to keep two pipes, TORs are a good way to go.
    All the best, DLL.
     
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