Bike Rejection

Discussion in 'Speed Triple' started by Andymarksonline, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. Andymarksonline

    Andymarksonline Well-Known Member

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    So my bike has been in the dealer for two weeks investigating a low rev whistling noise. They phoned this morning to say they’ve investigated with the help of Triumph technical and it needs new engine internals.

    They advised me to reject the bike (it’s in a different dealers to which I bought it from) as I’ve only had it 6 months.

    Spoke to the dealer who I bought it from and they said that I need to give them a chance to repair it under warranty. Spoke to the finance company and logged a complaint telling them I wanted the bike rejected. They will now investigate the case.

    Doesn’t really help with the fact I’m supposed to be doing a 2500 mile trip to Spain on it in three weeks time

    The dealer I bought it from were very unhelpful I think they were annoyed I took it to a different dealer (exactly this reason I did!).

    Argh banging my head against a brick wall
     
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  2. sam triple

    sam triple Well-Known Member

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    if they don't treat customers properly what do they expect ,does the sale of goods act cover this as its not fit for purpose you are entitled to a refund
     
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  3. Bad Billy

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    Hi Andy,
    That is crap mate, I think you need to name and shame the unhelpful dealer so the rest of us can avoid them.
    I don't know what the legal situation is regarding rejecting the bike over allowing Triumph to repair it, but if it isn't sorted soon and your trip goes belly up then I would go after them for compensation for that as well.
    It would be nice for Triumph and their dealer to do the decent thing, not sure that they will though. :mad::mad::mad:
     
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  4. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    The key things to remember are:

    The finance company owns the bike. Your primary rights are via them.

    The dealer you bought from is No 1 in the frame and then to Triumph under their warranty.

    https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/your-rights-if-something-is-wrong-with-your-car

    Rejection rights normally lapse after 30 days and I have no idea how long you have had it and the use it has had which would inform whether it should be replaced or repaired.

    This is one of those occasions when it pays to be awkward. If you are the least line of resistance it will not be resolved to your satisfaction.

    Finally write IMMEDIATELY to the Finance company recorded delivery (keeping a copy) saying you are due off in 3 weeks time and that ‘time is of the essence’ I.e. you require resolution within the next 14 days or a directly comparable substitute to enable your holiday to proceed as planned.
     
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  5. Rspete

    Rspete Elite Member

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    Shocking bud!! Have they sorted a loan bike out for You whilst your bikes been away?
     
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  6. Callumity

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    Can I add you have complicated things slightly because it is not in ‘the’ dealer but ‘a’ dealer. They don’t really have a dog in the fight, just the chance of some warranty work and the workshop time already expended.
    Your best bet is to get the Finance company to get Triumph to authorise work where it is but they are not obliged to and may not want to appear to pitch one dealer against another....
     
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  7. joe mc donald

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    Yes as someone said the bike belongs to the finance company. My wife a few years ago purchased a rover 820 that turned out to be stolen. The finance said not to hand the keys to the police and they sorted it within a week. Get someone with legal knowledge to contact triumph to reject the bike. And I think you have the law on your side here the goods were unfit for purpose.
    Good Luck
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  8. Andymarksonline

    Andymarksonline Well-Known Member

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    I’ve spoken to the finance company as was getting pushed from pillar to post between the dealer I bought it from and the dealer who has been looking at it. They are going to contact both dealers to investigate the options available. I just want my bike back, it’s an expensive bit of kit that should be working whilst I’m paying for it.

    I took it to another dealer because I don’t trust the one I bought it from. They had it in a few times for various little things (joystick sticking and brake pads squealing) and said they’d done the work but quite plainly hadn’t touched it, in the end with the pads I replaced them myself and it sorted the problem, after being told that it was quite normal for them to make that noise! - hence my lack of trust

    Thanks for your advice, we’ll see how it goes over the coming weeks and hopefully I’ll be bike to go on my Spanish trip.
     
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  9. stinger

    stinger Senior Member

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    I'm afraid littleade is totally correct in the dealer being well within their rights to insist on being allowed to repair the bike under sale of goods legislation.
     
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  10. joe mc donald

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    The goods are also not fit for the purpose they were purchased for. And you don't buy something that has to be pulled apart and rebuilt. Rights and sale of goods may well be used if its simple maintenance. And not fit for purpose gives you the right to reject the item if its not doing what it was purchased for. I E trip and touring.
    Regards
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  11. mikerj

    mikerj New Member

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    "Not fit for purpose" and faulty are two entirely different things. If the bike was sold to the OP as an ideal tool for ploughing a field he'd have an excellent argument to say it's not fit for purpose.
     
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  12. joe mc donald

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    No disagree with you totally. My bike I purchased as a tool to take me to work and back every day. And in purchasing a new bike I need it to be fit for the purpose I bought it for. Now I accept there will be things like flat tyres dodgy battery which is acceptable. But a brand new item that has to go back to be totally stripped and rebuilt. No that's not fit for purpose.
    Ride Free
    Joe.
     
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  13. Hamburg

    Hamburg Senior Member

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    The sale of goods act 1979 is straightforward on this issue.

    The quality of the goods sold must be satisfactory (prior to 1994, this provision required 'merchantable' quality; this requirement has been retained in most Commonwealth versions of the Act). The Act provides an objective test to determine satisfactory quality; the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking into account the price, description and any other relevant factors

    If the fault existed when the bike was delivered then it could be argued that it was not of merchantable quality.
     
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  14. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    I believe the phrase is " not fit for its intended purpose"
     
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  15. Hamburg

    Hamburg Senior Member

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    But you have to prove that the fault was there when it was sold to you.
     
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  16. Andymarksonline

    Andymarksonline Well-Known Member

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    So as an update, it’s now gone back to the dealer I bought it from. They said they will investigate the whistling noise but they don’t think it’s mechanical at all (which to be honest I didn’t think either).

    I guess I’ll have to wait and see but with my Spain trip coming up in just over three weeks time hopefully if there is a serious issue I’ll be better placed for triumph to help me out maybe with a loan bike while it’s sorted one way or another.
     
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  17. dilligaf

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    Hope you get sorted mate :)
     
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  18. chuk

    chuk Senior Member
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    Name the dealer giving problems or have you been advised not too in case it may affect the outcome.
     
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  19. Taff

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    I agree with “name and shame” when the culprit is clearly guilty but not when “in dispute”. Wait for the conclusion then name the parties. Sometimes a problem gives a supplier an opportunity to shine.
    There’s a dealer near me who I wont name because I have no proof, but let’s say when my bike has been serviced the oil drain plug hasn’t been disturbed and the ecu link is still taped up with my tape.
    I’m sure they must have dropped the oil through the oil filter and checked and adjusted the throttle bodies by connecting directly to the ecu and not used the link eh?
     
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  20. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    In these situations always better to shed light rather than add heat. No point in being prematurely provocative - but not easily brushed off either.

    After all, they will want you to tell your mates what great service you got......won’t they?
     
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  21. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Crème de la Crème

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    "I’m sure they must have dropped the oil through the oil filter and checked and adjusted the throttle bodies by connecting directly to the ecu and not used the link eh?"
    I don't know if that's possible, would all the oil come out? and can you balance the throttles via the ECU? If I'd paid for a service I'd be asking the dealer !
     
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