Help With Engine Corrosion Please!

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by Dominic Jones, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Hello all,

    So, I brought a 2011 Triumph Street Triple at the start of this year, I’ve just taken all the fairing off ready for a thorough clean. The bike looks to be in mostly good shape, but upon closer inspection there seems to be some pretty bad corrosion around the cylinder heads, where the exhaust meets the engine, just behind the radiator, the paint is blistering and flaking off quite badly.

    I’ll get some pics up later, but should I be concerned?

    Also, the exhaust studs are in pretty bad shape, nuts are very rusted. I’ve been lubing them up and gently trying to move them, is this wise or should I leave them be? Its in my nature to replace things like that if possible or clean them up rather than ignore it.

    It almost looks like leaks around the exhaust gaskets have caused the corrosion on both the studs and engine but I don’t know, I’m just a little worried.

    Any info is appreciated, thank you!

    Regards,
    Dom.
     
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  2. Richard Neale

    Richard Neale Active Member

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    Could you post some pictures to show the problems ?
     
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  3. Sprinter

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    Normalish for these areas to corrode, I think it's due to not cleaning these areas, and corrosion getting a start under the coatings, If you post photos they may rule out leaks completely. The studs will corrode because of the hot cold cycle they are involved in.
    I can't recommend fixing stuff that isn't broken.
    Although I would want to replace them too. They won't improve.
    World of Triumph are a resorse, although expensive.
    The Alloy corrosion on the block is probably best cleaned back to metal and painted.
     
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  4. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Thanks for the quick replies, I’ll get some pics uploaded tonight, both as it sits now and after I’ve cleaned it up.

    I was gutted when I found the corrosion, didn’t expect it at all as the bike looks pretty nice overall.
     
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  5. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    With regard to stuck nuts , ooer! Check here it really does work
     
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  6. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Before cleaning it up:

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  7. Scrambled head

    Scrambled head Well-Known Member

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    ACF 50 will help, it works.
    Good luck
     
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  8. Callumity

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    Just remember this is cosmetic........on a 7 yr old bike.

    The powdery aluminium oxide corrosion is itself a very effective barrier to further corrosion. The problem is that it will track under the powder coat and lift it.

    It is an awkward spot to access but your choice is really to monitor its spread until you cannot live with it (or choose to sell the bike) and/or cleaning back to bare metal and painting with an aluminium primer and high temp gloss black to match. It is a small wire brush/Dremel/skinned knuckles sort of job......
     
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  9. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Crème de la Crème

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    Hasn’t @BB3Lions recently posted very similar corrosion in that same area?
     
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  10. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Cheers pal not heard of that combo before, I’ll give that a try, been soaking the rusted nuts/studs in AC90 for the past few weeks, not even tried to remove them yet, or even if I should, but I’d like to.

    ACF50 will be used often now I own the bike, looks like the previous owner was pretty lazy regards to cleaning.

    The bike has full Triumph service history though, with more stamps than it needs, so hopefully its been looked after in that sense.

    Looks like the corrosion started around the rubber pipe behind the radiator as shown in pics.

    I’ll need to remove the radiator to gain better access, and as suggested clean it, rough it up and repaint.

    Does it just look like regular corrosion from exposure or could there be a problem?

    Cheers.
     
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  11. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Cheers pal not heard of that combo before, I’ll give that a try, been soaking the rusted nuts/studs in AC90 for the past few weeks, not even tried to remove them yet, or even if I should, but I’d like to.

    ACF50 will be used often now I own the bike, looks like the previous owner was pretty lazy regards to cleaning.

    The bike has full Triumph service history though, with more stamps than it needs, so hopefully its been looked after in that sense.

    Looks like the corrosion started around the rubber pipe behind the radiator as shown in pics.

    I’ll need to remove the radiator to gain better access, and as suggested clean it, rough it up and repaint.

    Does it just look like regular corrosion from exposure or could there be a problem?

    Cheers.
     
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  12. Richard Neale

    Richard Neale Active Member

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    Doesn't look too bad . Only takes riding in winter to set off rusty nuts :(
     
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  13. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Any resident metallurgists?

    I suspect the issue is simple galvanic corrosion. Basically you need steel studs to hold the exhaust on an aluminium casting. The two metals conduct electricity differently and that difference in ‘potential’ means one corrodes ‘preferentially’ - like a one way chemical flow. Throw in an electrolyte (a conductive solution) like salty water and the process accelerates.

    If the surfaces are clean and then coated (ACF50 etc.,) you inhibit the entire corrosion process.
     
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  14. Richard Neale

    Richard Neale Active Member

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    You could just spray the parts and carry on riding ....
     
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  15. Dominic Jones

    Dominic Jones New Member

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    Appreciate all your responses, if it is just cosmetic and common then that puts my mind at rest, I did purposely buy a cheaper bike with higher milage because its my first big bike and only form of transport so will be used for commuting all year round.

    That being said I’d still like to fix it up best I can, I’m the OCD type so if I know its there it will bug me, even if its not easily seen.

    If I can clean it up, paint it, and get some new exhaust studs in I’ll be happy.

    Should I just sort the bits where paint is peeling or rub down any blisters etc before they develop into something worse while I’m at it?

    Also, with it being small patches here and there, would it be better to apply the paint with a brush rather than aerosol, and is primer or adhesion promoter necessary?

    Cheers.
     
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  16. Callumity

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    I would strip down the area for ease of access and rub down anything suspect having probed with a flat blade screwdriver. That will reveal corrosion blisters rather than just rough finish. Mask off and use a brush. Less messy and ‘good enough‘ for under there. The big thing is getting back to bare metal, cleaning off with acetone (her nail varnish remover!) and using an aluminium primer. High Temp gloss last....
     
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  17. Dominic Jones

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    I take it the primer must be heat resistant too, and be suitable for aluminium, have you got any suggestions?

    I found a few aerosol varieties but nothing that comes in a tin, and the ones that do come in a tin don't seem to be heat resistant.
     
  18. Callumity

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    Or similar
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/500ml-Silver-Aluminium-Resistant-Temperature/dp/B00AC2206I
    Or
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/XtremeAuto...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=MC8DM83SZ57A3X921FZR
    See double deal incl black gloss scroll down

    Otherwise this stuff you can spray and brush on
    https://www.halfords.com/motoring/p...oniz-silver-very-high-temperature-paint-500ml

    Your surface temp should not greatly exceed the cooling water under pressure just over 100C but adjacent the exhaust ports it might be a bit higher.
     
  19. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Unheard of Member

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    On a last note, these days aluminium used is just recycled shite that why it’s always painted. I’ve an old eastern block Mz in bare aluminium been stud in a wet garage for 20yrs (before me) with virtually NO ENGINE CORROSION!
    That’s because recycling wasn’t as popular and only quality virgin aluminium was used.
     
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  20. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Except your virgins have been corrupted too. Almost all of the aluminium used is/are alloys containing silicon, copper, magnesium etc., to give it the desired properties. Recycling does not mean melting and pouring any old iron without checking the recipe. Your MZ probably had a good chunk of zinc in it. My old Ossa was similar.......and quite brittle as I found out!
     
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  21. Baben

    Baben Active Member

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    My two year old Tiger has this issue too. Think it is a Triumph thing.
     
  22. Callumity

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    Mazda too. You should look at the underside of a 6 yr old MX5 but the effect is almost entirely cosmetic on the hubs and spars.
     
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  23. Tigcraft

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    Worked on the underside of those heaps plenty of times! They look like they’ve turned to stone!
     
  24. 243jimb

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    Square Deal has stainless steel studs and they are very well made, I also found all metal stainless locking type (torque prevailing) nuts one Ali Express although you will have to wait a few weeks for them to come from China.

    Jim.
     
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