When Is A Bike Too Heavy?

Discussion in 'Triumph General Discussion' started by Beerman, Dec 28, 2018.

  1. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    I have used Dipetane for quite a few years now in both petrol & diesel, it used to be compulsory to use it for at least a week to get the Celica twincam through the annual emissions testing.
     
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  2. Cyborgbot

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    Looks like Tabasco sauce - that has a similar effect of clearing out my ‘exhaust pipe’ - if you get my drift?!?
     
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  3. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Actually I hope I don't !!!!
     
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  4. Cyborgbot

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    I am a cynical bastard when it comes to certain things (pretty much everything) as there are so many instances of snake oil salesmen across many industries (and politics) peddling dreams based on flimsy unsubstantiated evidence and hoping to make a quick profit

    It’s always good to see proper scientific efficacy and rigour to back up any miraculous claims. There is one paper written about Dipetane by an Associate Professor of Trinity College Dublin which is very positive, but that appears on their own efficientfuel.co.uk website and seems to be commissioned by them - i.e. no independent works. Independent opinion/tests/anecdotes (by users) are 50% for and 50% against. The manufacturers do have some some pretty amazing claims though - I really liked the "60% extended engine oil life" claim... Love to know how that one works. As Dipetane says it is not an additive but only what exists in the fuel already, I suspect it increases the percentage of octane vs heptane. This might explain how it helps the fuel combust more effectively and thus keeping the emissions cleaner - I know some people that use premium fuels before their MoTs for the same reason (me included) - not sure it genuinely helps though. Any ideas if it does?

    It's a bit like the Premium vs regular petrol debate - does it give more power / economy? Or is supermarket fuel rubbish compared to more expensive brands.

    I love the arguments that kick off when these topics get debated - it gets all so passionate :rolleyes:;):)

    Tbh - I tried a few of these additives but can't say I was fair with them as didn't do a proper before/after evaluation with similar conditions. In the end I kept forgetting to add them to the tank.

    If you want the full Monty Python 30 minute argument, go for Herbal Remedies, homeopathy and other alternative medicines vs conventional medicine, or as I have seen on another thread "Brexit" :p









     
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  5. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Take it any way you like, whether you beleive me or not is your business.

    As a combustion engineer for a major Burner manufacturer for over 10 years

    I've seen claims made for all sorts of equipment and additive benefits.

    The one I quoted was from my own personal experience over an extended period of time with both my own vehicles and those of customers that I saw for myself from NCT testing figures for various vehicles that had failed on emissions and were run for periods of a week to several weeks and the results were there for anyone to see.

    I too was sceptical at first but seeing results is the proof I needed.

    Having been a Field Service Engineer for over 40 years, I have dealt with many customers who were promised unrealistic results by overzealous salesmen over the years, this in itself makes one sceptical of claims that seem too good to be true.

    Some of the other claims are pure crap as are a lot of the claims made for other products, you pays yer money and takes your choice.
     
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  6. Cyborgbot

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    Sounds like you are as cynical as me about overzealous salesmen and their claims!

    There’s so much fakery about these days in the news, advertising, scams and the like. I’ve turned into a fully fledged sceptic and question everything. Sad really.

    How do you sign up to grumpy old git membership? Sound like a good club!
     
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  7. Hamburg

    Hamburg Senior Member

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    The good news is that if you were born before 1969 you’re automatically a member!
     
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  8. Cyborgbot

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    Yahoo
     
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  9. Hamburg

    Hamburg Senior Member

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    Sadly very true, the biker population average age seems to be getting older every year, the yoof don’t seem to lust after bikes anymore, that’s why the biggest growth area is retro bikes. Sad really.
     
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  10. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Unheard of Member

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    Datsuns too!
     
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  11. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    As well as Fiat's and Alfa's
     
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  12. Cyborgbot

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    They did!?!
     
  13. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Nah ............. had a couple of fiats including a 128 ( 1300cc sohc with a little twinchoke carb on the top ) went like lightning, towed a bedford CF 35cwt box van back from birmingham with one including the undelivered load :p:):)
     
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  14. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Unheard of Member

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    I had a mirofiori, only a 1300 as it was same, extremely lively when the second choke came on song
     
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  15. Biker Jock

    Biker Jock Senior Member

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    It was Lancia Betas that made everything else look good. A friend bought one. Beautiful looking car, but it took about 6 months to dissolve (I don't exaggerate) into a rusty mess.
     
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  16. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    The Alfasud likewise. Great cars but way too environmentally friendly. Returned to nature in a matter of months.
     
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  17. Wishbone

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    Had a 1600 mirafiori in my younger days it had been painted in sky blue by hand to cover the scabs, but went like stink!!
     
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  18. Graeme_D

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    From what I've picked up over the years, eg from my parents; Is that when they were young, most folk had a motorbike somewhere in the family. And stories of going on days out, 4 people on a bike with sidecar.

    But then the late 70's / early 80's, motorbike performance did a big jump, but brake and tyre didn't keep up. There were a lot of accidents/deaths which gave bikes a bad reputation. The negative image of bikers also started about this time.
    Couple that with the increasing affordability of cars for the masses at the time, it's no wonder more people went straight to cars and bikes continued to have that negativity and dangerous reputation, even though they are as safe as ever now (it's the car drivers that are now our biggest danger!) Nothing like a bit of ignorance.

    And the younger generation now are not getting into bikes from hearing those biased and outdated views. Though it should be noted that the current young generation are also turning away from car ownership as well. So a general downturn in all automotives.
     
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  19. Wessa

    Wessa Cruising

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    I agree. It is a real shame that biking and bikers get a bad name. To me it is a small minority of riders that spoil it for the many. All of the bikers that I know, including many on this forum are responsible road users......
    Wessa
     
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  20. Wishbone

    Wishbone First Class Member

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    If getting a bad name is because of filtering and such like then you cannot change it!!
    You only have to look at the scowling faces of folks in their cars as you get through a jam and they are stuck.
    Peeps nowadays are extremely self centred (effing selfish) and don't like anybody getting something they don't.
    Never mind, maybe the government will build us a separate lane:p
     
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