Bonneville Handling Issues

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  1. T0pcat

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    Hi Guys, I have an '04 Mk1 T100. It's been SORNed for four years and I'm bringing it back into commission for Spring next year. I've never been a fan of it's handling and brakes. I put that down mostly to the OEM Bridgestones. I have OEM brake Pads and suspension. I know you can sharpen up the handling a bit by fitting longer rear shocks and I'd like progressive springing (Ikons?). I notice there are a few fully adjustable rears out there but I'm not sure if the OEM forks would render these a bit redundant. Looking for some guidance....
     
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  2. Rocker

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    Fit better rear shocks and a steering damper should sort her out:)
     
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  3. T0pcat

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    Ah but which ones?
     
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  4. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Before I did anything else I would put a new set of Avon Roadriders on 'er and see how the handling is then.
     
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  5. Callumity

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    I have suggested Michelin Pilot Activ tyres but a set of Hagen progressives up front and their basic rear shocks will transform pogoing, wallowing and overall comfort when you stretch the OEM chassis components. The
    The budget in invariably matters but old tyres maybe MUST be replaced first
     
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  6. PaulCas

    PaulCas Well-Known Member

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    What Callumity said;)
    I have fitted the basic Hagon rear shocks (I think they were less than 140 quid for the pair) and Hagon progressives at the front (95 quid delivered IIRC).
    My T100 now rides and handles just about as good as that chassis can do.
     
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  7. T0pcat

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    The tyres are up there first on the list, but dealt with elsewhere. I have a budget, but it's not set in stone and will be settled over the period of the work so it won't hurt as much. There's a bit of general tarting up to be done which is mostly elbow grease. The Brake pads were always a bit wooden, too.
     
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  8. T0pcat

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    I read that increasing the length of the rear shocks transforms the handling. ( +1inch on Ikons) Were the Hagons standard length? I rather like the idea of the progressive springs on the front too.
     
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  9. T0pcat

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    this will take a bit of thought. I'd make this adjustment by slipping the forks through the yokes, but I think the handlebars might just get in the way. It's too dark to check just now.

    Speaking of Handlebars, I'd like to source a set that's about an inch higher and further back at the bar ends as I'm a martyr to arthritic wrists.
     
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  10. Callumity

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    I tend to the view that a 2004 bike is not worth throwing silly money at as it will never repay the expense. You don’t ride a Bonnie for its brilliant, razor sharp handling in the first place......
    So while I don’t dispute the superiority of emulators it does boil down to what you are prepared to afford. Progressive springs simply soften up the first inch of travel on poor road surfaces but linear springs are better for pure handling.....but a standard Bonnie’s biggest handling deficiencies are at the back. The 19” front wheel slows the steering down anyway and fork adjustment makes for very limited difference to trail.
    The best you can do is make informed choices according to your own priorities and wallet. I would put the seat quite high up my list!
     
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  11. joe mc donald

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    I did all this on my 2010 bonnie and got the seat padded. It handles a dream even to confident I feel. but is a pleasure to ride. The brakes yes I feel are a bit wanting. The front Hagon progressive I feel does take most of the bumps and controls them and returns nice and controlled. But if in dough then phone Hagon they work wonders and give valuable advice and will do their utmost to give you what you ask for. Also there is bar risers out there try ebay.
    Ride Safe
    Joe.
     
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  12. T0pcat

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    This isn't an investment in the bike, it's to do with my riding pleasure. I'm not looking to get my knee down and the !00+mph top speed of the old 790 lump is fine, too. I have a King & Queen seat which is plush compared to almost every other bike I've ever owned. It does rather locate my bum relative to the bars though and I"d like to bring them up and back a bit so I don't put pressure on my wrists.
     
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  13. joe mc donald

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    Nothing wrong with that. You have to do what's good for you and you will get there.
    Stay Safe
    Joe
     
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  14. Zak

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    Bonneville's are left wanting in the suspension and brakes department, I have two bonnies at the moment "2001 and 2008".
    The 2001 model has new avon tyres, hagon suspension front and rear and sinted metal brake pads, it's a pleasure to ride in every way
    The 2008 model has Bridgestone tyres, Tec suspension front and rear and standard brake pads, it's not in the same league as the 2001 in any way.
     
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  15. Cornishman

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    If not already covered in the thread, bar riser lift the bars about an Inch .and you don't have to worry about changong brake pipes and cables. Made the whole bike feel nicer and relaxed when I fitted mine. And only took 10 minutes...
     
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  16. T0pcat

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    Is the Hagon suspension so much better than Tec or do the tyres make the biggest difference? My Bike's got Bridgestones but they need to be replaced so I rather Fancy Avons myself. Who made the sintered pads?
     
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  17. joe mc donald

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    Simple Yes. You can call Hagon tell them what you want how you want to ride all the weights and conditions and they will build you a shock around your needs. AND get those Avon's on there and see how it goes. The raising the bars I was thinking about that aswel.
    Ride Safe
    Joe.
     
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  18. T0pcat

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    Thank you
     
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  19. billyrideslow

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    The USA hagon dealer is a few miles from my home, they hooked me up. I dropped my Bonneville down around 25mm in the rear and got some stiffer springs. The front forks, I put progressive springs in them along with 20 wt fork oil.

    Some would say it's stiff, but as an old off-roader, I like'm stiff.

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