Buying advice

Discussion in 'Triumph General Discussion' started by Kaneda, May 11, 2014.

  1. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    Hello all,

    So... I dont own a bike yet, i am about to start a DAS and will be going straight to a medium/big bike.

    I curently work in chiswick and currently live in twickenham but have just bought a house in ashford... kent! well be moving around august/september.
    Its quite a journey and the bike is how i intend to get to and fom work in chiswick. after getting stuck on the m26 for 4hrs a couple of weeks ago on my way to ashford i decided beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ability to filter in traffic is going to be a real blessing, especially in such situations. Ive always wanted to ride and that was the final push i needed to fork out and take the leap.

    So my question is what bike do you guys think i should go with? I wont lie, looks are pretty important and im not wild about the asthetics of the bonnie.
    I really REALLY like the look of the speedmaster, I originally had my heart set on a Harley sportster but triumph snuck in and won my heart... oh and also the Thruxton is pretty darn fit!
    I'll have a budget of up to around £8000 but it will also have to get me a jacket, boots, helmet etc so I will probably have to go for a used bike unless i go for a finance deal although im not sure that will be a great idea as ill be putting so many miles on the bike per year. my maths is terrible butif im right it will be something silly like 20,000 per year!

    Im 34 years old, about 12.5 stone and 5'11 been driving for only a year and a bit so not heaps of road experiance, although i do drive a 2ltr BMW and have had no problems, i think my age helps.
    So i want a bike that will be relatively comfortable, able to overtake lorries when needed and hold 60-70 on the motorway without too much trouble. as you have probably guessed cruisers float my boat but if the weight and ride are going to be a problem i may have to rethink... so mighty oracles of the road what do you guys think?

    thanks :)
     
  2. T-Bird Rob

    T-Bird Rob Member

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    If you can get a Speedy or an America where you live then that would be a good ride for you... it easily holds the speed you want. I had one and really enjoyed it but eventually traded up to a Thunderbird - heavier but lightens up at speed and easily cruises on the motorway. Early T-Birds, ie previous to 2014 would be a great choice for your size. Your price range might suggest an earlier Speedmaster or an America
     
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  3. Recycled Rocker

    Recycled Rocker Senior Member

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    Welcome, Thruxton is a lovely bike but 20K/year sounds like yer need comfort as a priority. Thrux has forward bars and rearsets, looks great but throws weight on yer wrists and arms.. Love my Bonnie SE, but listening to your comments a cruiser seems to be calling...good luck . SUGGESTION Ride one of each first do NOT buy until you are sure what fits you best physically.
     
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  4. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    Bikes are brilliant at getting through the traffic but they can also be cold, wet and uncomfortable. I remember the 4 hour tailback you mentioned. It was due to a major accident and the road was closed so even if you had been on a bike you wouldn't have gained very much except to get to the front of the queue! Conversely the often massive queues for the tunnel and bridge can be avoided with careful filtering.

    60 miles in the middle of winter on a bike is not a lot of fun. I have to go to Essex to see my Dad twice a week on the America. A 75 mile run up the A23 and M25. It's been bloody horrible this winter and some weeks I've had to go by car as it's been too wet or too cold. I certainly wouldn't want to be doing it every day.

    For a first bike something like a Bonnie, Speedy or America would be a reasonable choice. All of them are capable of sitting on the motorway and overtaking most things. Everyone will have their own choice of clothing and the like but this is my list built up over the last few years of riding 300 miles a week through the year. Heated grips, screen, winter and summer gloves, thermal undies and socks, lined textile jacket and trousers (with removable linings), a winter and summer Buff and of course decent boots.

    Good luck with the test and finding the right bike :smile:
     
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  5. Richard H

    Richard H Noble Member

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    Loads of bikes out there to choose from but in my opinion a cruiser is not the best motorway commuter bike, nor are the naked bikes like the Speed and Street Triples. Don't get me wrong you can commute on any reasonably powerful bike but it comes down to comfort and ease of use.

    Personally I think the Tiger 800 road version would make a great first bike to commute, fitted with the touring screen there is loads of wind protection, hand guards with heated grips, and plenty of luggage options. Its also taller than a cruiser to give better visibility when filtering. I've had loads of bikes over the years and have found the Tiger to be the most versatile bike I've owned and its still fun to ride.
     
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  6. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #6 Kaneda, May 11, 2014
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    Thanks guys, some real sound advice
     
  7. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #7 Kaneda, May 11, 2014
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    Hi T-Bird Rob, I think thats what ill do, the Thunderbird might be a bit weighty for me to begin with plus the insurance might be a bit steep in my first year of riding
     
  8. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    Hi Recycled Rocker, so i guess the Thruxton is out unless i want to spend the rest of my days visiting a chiropractor. more of a town/city or short ride bike.
    i definately wont put money down on anything until i have hda the chance to sit on a few and get a feel first.
     
  9. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #9 Kaneda, May 11, 2014
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    Hi Folkbloke,

    certainly the (not so) fair weather of blighty does worry me a little, ill definately invest in heated grips, was also thinking about a heated vest to go under my jacket. plus a winter and summer wardrobe as i can imagine being stuck in the blinding sun in full leather gear can be equaly as unpleasent as frostbite in your unmentionables. I'll also need some sort of storage to take a change of clothes to work with me. the trimph own brand bars, racks and panniers are quite pricey and the range isnt nearly as broad as you get with harleys. how easy is it to look at and fit after market stuff? if its worth it and do you know of any good brands i can check out that make stuff to fit triumphs? if the weather is too icy or lashing it down ill drive or train it but i need to avoid those methods of transport as much as possible because the train is £30 each way and the we cant put too much milage on the car or will be penilised when it comes to part exing it in a couple of years.

    the accident was just teriible, two young girls dead and seven airlifted to hospital. certainly the bike would only get me so far in that sort of situation but as the wife and i were stuck in the car going nowhere a couple of bikes filtered past us and that was when i had teh epiphony that i was finally going to get a bike and she agreed it wasnt a bad idea, a little cheaper than getting a second car and much more useful in busy m25 traffic jams
     
  10. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #10 Kaneda, May 11, 2014
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    Hi Richard H,

    I see your point about the Tiger having a height advantage, would the center of gravity not be a bit high for a first bike? i hear that new riders very often topple their bikes denting their tanks and pride in the process. I know im going to sound like a real midlife crises case here but i think cruisers look great and arent too likely to fly off with the front wheel in the air if i noobfart and let the clutch out too quickly. Im also hoping the low center of gravity on a Speedmaster/America will help me keep my balance when im not moving too quickly.
    what is it specifically about cruisers that you think makes them bad motorway bikes? same for the nakeds too, not that id want to start on something so fast.
     
  11. SteveJ

    SteveJ Super Moderator

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    Welcome to the forum

    As you are going for your first big bike I would suggest something that does not cost too much as you are most probably going to have a moment or two on your first proper bike.

    I would suggest going for something a bit older for your first bike and a Sprint ST maybe just the thing you would be looking for in a bike for getting to work.

    This one looks ok although a bit overpriced

    TRIUMPH SPRINT 955 cc Sprint ST (04MY)

    Also the Trident Sprint is a very good although not the greatest looking bike in the world, It still ticks all the boxes as far as your needs and they are cheap as chips to buy here is one that has only done 5000 miles

    Triumph TRIDENT SPRINT (1996/N) Motorbike For Sale | 3123070 | MCN

    Cheers

    Steve
     
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  12. folkbloke

    folkbloke Well-Known Member

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    #12 folkbloke, May 11, 2014
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    Mr K, one alternative to Triumph racks are Fehling that you can buy here

    I can't say I agree with Richard about cruisers not being ideal motorway commuters. I've been doing 300 miles a week on the M23 and M25 on an America with a small screen and it's just as fast in motorway conditions as my Tiger 1050 was. The beauty of a cruiser as a first bike is that they are so low and easy to handle. The Tiger 800 is a fantastic bike but I wouldn't recommend it as a first ride due to the seat height. Even as an experienced rider the sheer size of the 800 can be a little intimidating. It's actually very easy to ride but perhaps not for a novice.

    M25 jams are the bane of my life and I avoid going to Essex by car if I possibly can. Filtering is a bit of an art and demands complete concentration and being aware of what the cars are doing. It's generally safe enough if you take care and keep your speed low.

    Electric heated gear is a real boon but get the dealer to fit a suitable outlet on the bike.

    Take care out there

    Cheers

    Dick
     
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  13. Monkeyjoe

    Monkeyjoe Active Member

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    Hi welcome,
    I know you aren't to keen on the Bonnie, but it's my first bike and it handles superb, low centre of gravity, easy at low and high speeds, plenty of torque and excellent for overtaking or filtering, I also like cruisers, but after sitting on an 883 roadster and feeling the weight of it, it put me right off... I also fancied the America, but the footrests being slightly further forward made me go for the Bonnie to get some experience first, maybe the America will be my next bike... Good luck with your DAS, and on your choice of bike!
     
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  14. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #14 Kaneda, May 12, 2014
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    Hi Steve J

    The sprint certainly does tick all the boxes, might it not be a little bit fast? 160mph on two wheels sounds like a great deal of fun... i mean wow!
    but i may find myself doing hail marys as well as hand signals. Again, rather like the bonnie and i know i should like it, to put it theoretically, if it were a girl its probably the one my mother would set me up with, trouble is i like the one who smokes and swears.. because she wears tight leather pants and puts out. now if i had the money, time and lack of morals to have two girls on the go i might opt for the sensible one who ticks all the boxes for my midweek jaunts to and from work and the tarty one for fun on the weekends.
    i really am genuinely torn between getting a baddass matt black speedmaster with some added bits for touring comfort that i will ride around with a silly grin on my face or an all round performer such as the bonnie that i will not feel too guilty about dropping or even as you have suggested, a grown up comfortable and not too expensive tourer that comes already decked out with everything i need.. even its not much of a looker and the potential power does frighten me a little.
     
  15. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    Hi MonkeyJoe

    thanks for good luck wishes... i think ill need it as i failed my cbt last year like a chump :/ thats why i opted for a guaranteed pass so if i fail a module it wont cost me the earth to retake.
    The weight does worry me slightly, i havent sat on one yet but im hoping the low center of gravity will give me the stability i need not to drop my pride and joy on the tarmac.
     
  16. Kaneda

    Kaneda New Member

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    #16 Kaneda, May 12, 2014
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    Hey Dick,

    Thanks for the link, much more options, that looks like apretty well stocked company. i veered off and started looking at other things like custom paint jobs... must... resist... urge... to.. be silly
     
  17. Recycled Rocker

    Recycled Rocker Senior Member

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    Just a thought but no need to buy "new" gear (Except helmet!!-Buy new making sure you get the right size and type. Open face not good for winter, full face with little skirts to prevent draughts good, and full face that flip up allows better vision in slow traffic sometimes, easier to talk to people, but can still pop down when riding. Helmets have a shelf life.)

    As for other gear, bike auto jumbles a great way to reduce costs, jackets (get a removable liner type) trousers, my last pair of Buffaloes £10 !! etc etc and Ebay good way of testing water for prices and bargains. ie People sell bike but left with their gear to sell.
     
  18. chrispy

    chrispy Well-Known Member

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    Hi Kaneda, you can take all the great advice on the forum but when it comes down to it, it will be the costs that will have to be taken into account , but you have to decide what you like the best , my speedmaster is a great ride but is quite heavy and is not a bike you can weave in and out of traffic ,look around take some test rides if you can and go with what ever takes your fancy ,good luck with the hunt for your new bike :upyeah:
     
  19. SteveJ

    SteveJ Super Moderator

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    Kaneda

    The Sprint isn't too bad to ride as with most triples they have a very flat torque curve. If you worried about power then the Trident sprint maybe a better option as they are only about 97bhp and the engines are very bullet proof, the main thing with them is too make sure that they have a good battery (mottobatt are the best) as a low battery is the main cause of faulty sprag clutches on the early Hinckleys the fork seals are not that great either but that may just be an age thing.

    Best suggestion is to get a test ride on as many types of bikes as you can to see what suits your needs best as at the end of the day we can suggest but it's you that will be riding the bike and we all have different preferances.

    Cheers

    Steve
     
  20. Gimlet

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    I've always preferred bikes that are considerably faster than I am. I never get bored with them. You don't have to ride like a lunatic, the bike will only go as fast as you tell it to. This is never more true than of the Triumph triples which have to be some of the most user friendly road engines ever made. The 1050 triple is fast -very fast if you want it to be - but its a doddle to ride. Its not a highly strung handful, you always feel in control. There are no fierce surges or sudden surprises. It won't catch you out. It will do pretty much everything you ask but it will wait to be asked. My Speed Triple has to be one of the easiest bike in that performance bracket that I've ever ridden and although its quite large, on the move it feels like a bike half the size. Don't rule out the triples. They are tractable with ample easy to use power and not in the least intimidating.
     
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