Now My Bike Wont Start

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  1. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    So heres the story, parked bike off for a couple of days, come back to start it and it does not turn over but all the lights come on, fuel pump primes etc
    Decide its the battery as voltage test with multimeter reads 11.8.
    Take battery out, put it on charge, battery reads 12.62.
    Put battery back into bike and still nothing. Guages come on, Tach starts flashing and goes through the different stuff, eg, Tacho, Scale, etc etc.
    Lights come on etc etc, but still cant crank bike.
    Please bear in mind the battery is about 6 or 7 months old
    My question is should i now investigate stator r/r issue?
    if so can someone point me in a starting direction?
    Should i try bump starting bike and getting it to a shop or just get a tow?

    My next test will be to test voltage while the bike is switched on, if it drops below 12 then im going to buy a new battery or try to borrow a battery (plenty bikers around where my bike is parked)

    Bike in question is a Daytona 675 2008 model.

    Many thanks in advance for any replies
     
  2. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    That’s a bummer! 12.62 doesn’t sound too bad. First off try another battery, but make sure it’s one you know is in top condition! Make sure it’s equal or more cranking power tho! That’ll be the CCA, forgive me if you know this!
     
  3. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    If you have a spare car battery that is in good nick you could always try connecting that with jump leads - that'll give you sufficient oumph to turn the bike engine over.

    Btw, attaching a car battery to your bike WILL NOT harm it in any way IF properly connected with jumper cables. I'm not talking about connecting to a big battery installed in a car, with the car engine running, just a loose charged-up car battery.
     
  4. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    thanks guys, im going to see if a friend can lend me his battery in a moment or two to see if my bike will crank.
    Fingers crossed, if that does not work, im off to the triumph dealer to check if there is a recall on R/R for my VIN and to maybe pick his brains about how i can see whats wrong without getting it into a dealer and paying huge amounts. a bit sad, i know but trying to save where i can, im fairly mechanically minded and can ususally figure things out.

    really appreciate all the help
     
  5. Rich Bryce

    Rich Bryce Dead Eye Dick

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    Similar problems here. I recently bought a new cheapo battery from Larsons through work and had it on the optimate for a few weeks before installing it two weekends ago. It fired up just fine every day. Then last Wednesday morning I stopped to fill up at the local Sainsbury's petrol station. Bike wouldn't restart. Enough charge to have all the dash lights and headlamp working fine and no dip in current when I tried to start, but when I turned the key it was just a click.

    Anyway, work picked me up and one of the techs investigated and had the battery on charge all day. Couldn't find anything wrong. So we put the bike through its annual service on Friday. All seemed good until yesterday morning after the cold night, same issue with the battery. Yet my Tiger which has been sitting next to it for the past few weeks unused fired up first time. The Tiger has a decent three-year old Yuasa battery in it. So I'm going to buy the recommended Yuasa from work for the Bonnie and count the cheapo as a lesson learned - well hopefully that's all the issue is.
     
  6. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    have a look here. I know its a uk site but it might give you an idea
     
  7. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    Always think battery first

    Starting System Symptoms:

    Weak battery symptoms:
    -- Slow cranking.
    -- Stops cranking suddenly on compression stroke with button pressed.
    -- Starts when starter button is released at end of cranking.
    Repair:
    -- Charge/Test/Replace battery.
    Failure Modes:
    -- Loss of capacity. Appears to charge, voltage good but no reserve for starting.
    -- Won't hold a charge.
    -- Low voltage/cell failure.
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- Check fluid levels regularly
    -- Maintain full charge: Regular riding, trickle charger.

    Ignition Coil failure symptoms:
    -- Hard starting/misfiring during cranking.
    -- Rough idle that can't be tuned out with carb adjustments and carb cleaning.
    -- Idle misfire clears with new sparkplugs, returns in a few hundred miles
    Repair:
    -- Replace: Preferably with Nology for higher reliability than stock Gill coils.
    Failure Mode:
    -- Shorted turns in secondary resulting in weak spark.
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- None
    Testing:

    Pickup Coil failure symptoms:
    -- No spark at all
    -- Spark quits with engine hot, returns when engine cool.
    -- Note: Pickup coil failure is total. There is no random misfire spark loss.
    Repair:
    -- Replace pickup coil
    Failure mode:
    -- Thermal intermittant with long (15-30 minute) period.
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- None. Get a spare.
    Testing:
    -- Ohms checks hot and cold.

    Worn starter symptoms:
    -- Sometimes won't crank until the bike is rocked in gear.
    -- Excessively noisy cranking with a grinding sound.
    -- Click from under seat but no cranking.
    Failure Mode:
    -- Brush wear progressing to commutator damage.
    -- Bearing failure related to brush wear.
    Repair:
    -- Rebuild or replace.
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- Maintan battery in peak condition.
    -- Follow proper starting procedures. Neutral, clutch in.
    -- Crank 5-10 seconds at a time max., switch off for twice as long before cranking again.

    Worn sprag clutch symptoms:
    -- Very loud rattling when cranking
    -- Starter spins but engine doesn't turn
    Falure Mode:
    -- Breakage
    Repair:
    -- Replace sprag clutch
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- Maintain battery in peak condition.
    -- Follow proper starting procedures. Neutral, clutch in.

    Worn starter solenoid:
    -- Click from under seat but no cranking.
    -- Won't crank after rocking bike.
    -- Starter continues to run after bike starts and won't stop until the battery is disconnected.
    Failure mode:
    -- Internal contact damage resulting in non-conduction.
    -- Internal contact damage resulting in contacts welding shut.
    -- Internal damage/wear prevents solenoid core movement.
    Preventative Maintenance:
    -- None.
    Repair:
    -- Replace starter solenoid.
    Testing:
    -- For no cranking, short across solenoid high-power terminals. Normal operation denotes failed solenoid contacts.
     
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  8. pingpong

    pingpong New Member

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    Please help i am new here, my 2013 Thruxton 900 does not start, battery checked and only 2 month old. The lights are on but i only get click and nothing.
     
  9. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    Ok so have you read the post above yours.
    where is it kept?
    Do you have a voltage testing device?
    Your battery is the most likely thing, When did you last start it ( in this cold [batteries dont like cold])
    Is it on a tender?
    The more information you give the more chance someone will solve this.
     
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  10. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Sprinter is right. The battery is the most likely culprit. It may not have been fully charged when fitted or have discharged. The click you hear is the starter solenoid under the RH side panel but if the battery power is a smidgen low the ecu will not allow it to turn over - hence the symptoms you describe.
     
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  11. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    Update to my thread. Called triumph South Africa aka Fury Ford as they are the new appointed dealers, bike is due for a Factory recall on the RR, they asked that i get the bike to a Triumph dealer, and they will ensure that the Triumph dealer sorts out my issue, got the bike towed on friday afternoon, only to find that the tow company damaged my bike by securing it too tight and burst the fork seals. So now im currently sending emails back and forth between my Insurance company and the tow company to get them to repair the damage caused, oh and did i also mention that Triumph delaer i currently have my bike at has not signed a contract with Triumph SA, im currently stuck between a political battle between Triumph SA and Triumph dealer. woe is me.
     
  12. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    edit to this pot, the Service manager from Trimph SA called to follow up. so far im impressed by the level of service being received, hope its just consistent.
     
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  13. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    thanks, i searched and it seems that the RR is listed in the search results
     
  14. pingpong

    pingpong New Member

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    #14 pingpong, Mar 5, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2018
    Thanks Sprinter, hereby;

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  15. NivenDaytona675

    NivenDaytona675 Well-Known Member

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    update to thread. awaiting for parts. Triumph SA have said they will check if the R/R has been included in their first shipment of parts by today. holding thuumbs
     
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  16. youngy

    youngy Active Member

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    why is the meter set to DC Amps when you want to measure DC volts?

    Power Commander could be a culprit - not unknown.
     
  17. pingpong

    pingpong New Member

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    okay yes i am a moron ha ha, but battery is good.

    Please how do i check the power commander?
     
  18. pingpong

    pingpong New Member

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  19. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    This is a guess
    Can you just unplug and this resets the bike to normal settings?
     
  20. pingpong

    pingpong New Member

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    okay thanks will do. Is something missing here or not plugged in?

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