What the flooking hell is May and her tosser cabinet ministers playing at with Brexit. The EU are telling us to lie down, lick their boots, lick their arses, do exactly as they say for the next two years and we will STILL have to make contributions to the EU and we CAN'T negotiate trade agreements with other countries. May, Davis and Hammond are just taking it up the arse. We voted for brexit, it's time to tell the EU to GET STUFFED.
Sorry but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realise the EU were going to protect their interests at all costs. So we go the route of hard Brexit we are out one of the biggest markets going and will have to negioate all these foreign trade treaties with countries we have previously dumped on very hard. Commonwealth countries are going to tell us to feck off as we dumped on them from high to join the EU. Yet we have our borders back ffs. Gotta laugh.
Look I have to get this off my chest ( and here some answers too, please) Our geographical position on this planet, would seem to suggest that Europe is our neighbour. Surely it is easier to trade with a neighbour. If we are not trading with Europe on the inside that means they make the terms cos they are the large market. In 5 years when this exit-deal expires they can say, cut the price, they are willing to pay, by 50%, what can we do, except ship, to less vibrant markets or 1/2 way around the world to some country we bombed in the past. If you ask me, (and no one is), no one is willing to admit that we dont have 25 1st world countries on the right of us,we can deal with, thats the Atlantic, and do we think America will buy our stuff, they dont buy there own, it all comes from Mexico. Are Europe going to buy our wares (and go through the paperwork, export /import tax cost). When the large manufacturers will build factories there. All these foreign workers that are currently here will leave or no new ones will arrive, ( why go through the hassle if you can work in Germany or France with no paperwork) Whatever you say about immigration the whole of Europe agrees that the collapsed birth rate in the western world is the reason they open there gates to Poland, Albania, and, Turkey, in a few years,...so they can import labour to support our Grey Votes Pensions. They are all at it ,France Germany ,Italy, Spain, the only, reason they make a noise about it is to keep the uninterested vote happy ( the vague ' send em home' ' stealing our jobs; voters ) Finally that was why the Referendum was called to shut that lot up, And it back fired, I think the reason Maye is wobbling is cos they dont want it, and most have said as much. Now the press are as high as the politicians there is no grass roots swell any more they are all so high and mighty we cant reach them and they cant hear us. Just a thought, sleep well.
Actually not all of us voted for Brexit, just 37% of the electorate did. A significant proportion of that 37% are old feckers who will soon pass on. At the same time teenagers aged 16 and 17 didn't get a vote, but will be of voting age come the fateful date. So as adults they'll be stuck with an even crappier economic future than otherwise. A future bequeathed to them by a bunch of dead old feckers who had a misguided 'rose tinted' notion that Britannia could once again 'Rule the Waves' if only we could free ourselves from the yoke of the biggest trade club in the world. As for immigration, as Sprinter says, whose going to fund our pensions when young immigrants stop bolstering the workforce and thus the Treasury? The net value of immigrant labour, skilled and unskilled, since the UK adopted the free movement of labour is in the £billions. Whose going to pick our home-grown fruit and vegetables? Already farmers are complaining about crops rotting in the fields cos seasonal immigration has fallen, and as a result we're importing more fresh produce at higher costs. And without foreign trained doctors and nurses the NHS will simply collapse - £350m a week extra, fucking lol, those lying b@$t@rd$. So, declining real value of pensions. Costlier food. Even worse NHS. And none of us are getting any younger. And aren't you going to love it when you find yourself in the long Non-EU queue when you travel over there. Happy days.
Enough said. We are all entitled to our opinions & should be able to voice them in the UK, free speech & all that. But experience tells me that ,expressing ones opinion can sometimes lead to unnecessary friction, so I will remain ( no not remain! Ha ha) compliantly silent
A discussion for another day over a few beers/scotches/gins whatever at our first/next meet up. Civilised of course
I am only too aware that most of the World hates Donald Trump, & I do agree his persona leaves alot to be desired, but he has made America stronger in the WOrld markets & there hasn't been so much employment over here for 17yrs & the Stock Market is hitting record highs every month & he wants to monitor immigration & etc, etc, etc........ He also recons T.May didn't do a good job at negotiating Brexit!!! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-stand-getting-out-donald-trump-brexit-video
Again I'm not sure I want to comment, except that I like Donald. He bucks the trend & lets face it the senate have always had their way til now . Why wouldn't you have a failed/successful/failed/successful business man in charge of your country & economy?
This old chestnut of what are we going to do for fruit pickers, bar staff etc post Brexit when the Eastern Europeans can’t simply arrive to do these jobs is often muted by remainers and employers wanting cheap (and perhaps harder working labour) than using UK folk. Here’s a wee thought the vast majority (Poland etc) of Eastern counties only joined it he EU in 2004 and Romania plus Bulgaria in 2007. Even then free movement was a few years after that. So who was doing that work prior to that ? There must have been a system that worked for all the years up to then ? All I see at the moment is pretty much every prediction of economic meltdown put forward by the remain camp hasn’t happened in fact quite the reverse, other countries lining up to trade with us and Europe selling more to than us to them. Why our politicians of all sides can’t talk us up rather than down I don’t know. And as for free movement to visit Europe I think you will find whichever way you cross the channel,air sea or Chunnel, involves passport checking in both directions not much of a problem really. I want to leave the EU NOT EUROPE ! I do not want to be increasingly ruled by an unelected ‘government’ ,foreign courts and with a European army and an agenda for more and more closer integration. Our lots pretty bad but at least you can vote the b*****ds out every 5 years Right back to riding bikes !
Look at it in simplistic terms, if you got threatened at school by the bullies (Rocketman) & your brother was bigger than his, you win the FA Cup!! Diplomacy was a great thing whenever it was invented, but sometimes you just have to bring your big bro' to school with you to settle disagreements!
If the little guy keeps bugging you every night while you're trying to have a quiet pint (ie; get on with running a country) then after a while you would swat him like the niggling little fly that he is, & Rocketman is nothing but a blithering idiot who is so fkin dumb that he doesn't realise he's the fly.......yet!!!
As has been said, we could argue about the pro's of brexit and the con's of remaining until the cows come home. It took Nigel Farage to lead a surging UKIP party to get a Brexit referendum. It looks like now that's faded away, we're going to be sold down the river. Bringing back NF as leader of UKIP is the only hope now, unlikely as it is.
Voting should be compulsory - if you don't vote for three goes then you lose the right. We take the right to vote for granted and we generally waste the opportunity. You mean the ones like this?
NO MORE SIDES HERE, IDEAS PLEASE Guys............................................................................................................................................................ .........Its happening again............................................................................................................................ ......................................... Its not about sides,............................................................................................ ........................................................................ its about answers. Who pays the tax for the pensions? Who do we trade with? How do we get the best deal? What is the best deal? How is this going to be more advantageous than that cos this is this ( its here now)? Who wants to build factories here in this environment? Who buys our stuff? Who do we sell to? How do we get a fair price? Are we excluded, side lined, by a system built to exclude, those on the outside,(us now )? Please dont answer with remain / leave rhetoric its to late for that. I understand that those who negotiate cant disclose there goals. What worries me is independent experts dont know. no one knows. Please try to make it feel like we havnt entered into a void.
We're all getting screwed whether we voted to stay or leave - as you might have expected. At this moment the House of Lords is discussing the EU Withdrawal Bill, one clause of which is to ensure that all current EU laws that affect Britain will be enshrined into British law when we leave. So much for making our own rules and getting away from Brussels!
There is precious little objective truth in much of the Brexit reporting not least because of a strong pro EU soft left media bias. The Withdrawal Bill is being used by remainers in the Lords to trip up the Government timetable. The basic position is that the clock is running down and we need to adopt EU law into UK to avoid a legal vacuum. Once adopted we can unilaterally amend it as and when we choose. More broadly, the language is loaded to advance one view over another. ‘Crash out’ and ‘outside’ sound scary but since the majority of the World is ‘outside’ and on WTO terms the fall is short and the landing relatively soft. The much vaunted Single Market was pushed by Mrs T but corrupted in Brussels to create the cosy bureaucracy to big business relationships that gave you the EU emissions scandal/con. WTO tarriffs have fallen massively since we joined the EEC so the in/out argument is more finely balanced. The CBI is not as representative of big business as it would like to have you believe. It really represents - and is part funded by the EU - those businesses with EU based supply chains. Their part in our overall economy is consistently overstated. Our biggest earners like financial services are not even properly part of the Single Market now. And what is the Single Market spoken of in such reverential terms? Fundamentally it is a trade barrier to protect EU member states from external competitors. Which brings me to Triumph. Here we have a UK success story selling and manufacturing inside and outside the EU. They manage currency fluctuations, quality, intellectual property rights and tarriff barriers without damaging their business. Similarly Nissan, Toyota, Honda etc., simply need to know that their cost base will be no worse outside the EU than within it. In other words, that any EU car levy will be offset by UK benefits, be it corporation tax rates or whatever. I voted pro EEC and anti EU. Why? Experience. We were unquestionably lied to about EEC objectives and the intended direction of travel. The EU lacks a ‘demos’ i.e. a sense of common identity. We may all be Europeans geographically but our loyalty is almost completely to our home nations. The EU structure has an APPOINTED Commission and Council of Ministers over a Parliament which pretty much only gets to rubber stamp what they put before it. The Parliament itself attracts derisory voter turn out. That is, bluntly, arse about face and an insult to true democracy. So, for all the agonising about trade and money, I would consciously rather be a bit poorer than bend the knee to an alien form of government I cannot sack. And that is why you never hear a sound pro EU argument. It is always couched in terms of short to medium term financial loss and NEVER. about SOVEREIGNTY. Cue Rule Britannia, Churchillian speeches etc. !
